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A Job Picture Painted With Different Brushes (who let this objective reporter in the NYT!)
The New York Times ^ | 8/7/2004 | Floyd Norris

Posted on 08/07/2004 9:50:23 AM PDT by unspun

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Excellent report of the severely conflicting job reports for July. 629,000 read it again... 629,000 new jobs, in July only, according to the household survey! (vs. "32,000" in the establishment survey).

Down with the establishment!! Up with households!!

1 posted on 08/07/2004 9:50:25 AM PDT by unspun
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To: unspun

I am shocked that NYT would even mention the other side.


2 posted on 08/07/2004 9:57:06 AM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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That's more than the Dallas Morning News did.


3 posted on 08/07/2004 10:06:30 AM PDT by altura (Kerry got my contempt the old-fashioned way--he earned it!)
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To: unspun

This is a hide in plain sight article. It is published on a Saturday when the fewest people will read it. Think I'm wrong? Ask yourself if this would ever be published front page above the fold on a weekday, say Monday morning.
Articles like this enable the minded fools to delude themselves into think that the ratmedia isn't bias.


4 posted on 08/07/2004 10:07:15 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 ( Kerry's not "one of us": catholicsagainstkerry.com. needs your help.)
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To: unspun

Here's my own personal survey. I'm a family law attorney and always need to know what my clients do for a living. It seems to me that a lot more of them are working for themselves or for small businesses.. and they're doing ok. They're consulting, repairing, doing hair, remodeling, selling real estate, etc. In other words, the economy is adjusting in its own way because midamerican middleclass people are hard workers and welfare isn't tempting them to do otherwise.


5 posted on 08/07/2004 10:11:36 AM PDT by Mercat
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To: unspun

Yeah I was shocked to see this in the NY Times, too. Perhaps the shareholders have been grumbling about the Times' plummeting credibility.


6 posted on 08/07/2004 10:12:58 AM PDT by thoughtomator (I question the timing of this post)
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Articles like this enable the minded fools to delude themselves into think that the ratmedia isn't bias.

Evan Thomas of Newsweak( a liberal BTW) says liberal media bias is worth 15 points to the Kerry campaign.

For further details see the Media Research Center website.(I don't know how to make a link).

Series bias bump

7 posted on 08/07/2004 10:14:46 AM PDT by Mister Baredog ((Part of the Reagan legacy is to re-elect G.W. Bush))
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To: unspun

I don't know if I'm going to have to don asbestos here or not.....but something has been rolling around in my mind for sometime now about all this whining about loss of jobs.

To me it is not the job of the President, or any other government entity to create jobs....that is the job of the private sector. To me if government is creating jobs it means that government is GROWING.

Mybe I'm missing something, but I don't want the government creating jobs - I just want it to create an atmosphere for the private sector to do so - particularly by less onerous taxes and regulations.

Am I totally off base here????


8 posted on 08/07/2004 10:22:07 AM PDT by Gabz (Ted Kennedy's driving has killed more people than second hand smoke)
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To: Mister Baredog

I do not know how they could possibly claim that Carter had good jobs, during his malaise economy.

It is also disengenious to compare bush to the depression since he inherited Clinton's resession.


9 posted on 08/07/2004 10:22:33 AM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: Gabz

No. The job of the pres is create an environment conducive to job creation. Dems want regulated hiring by large companies and the gov and pubs want large private sector growth...


10 posted on 08/07/2004 10:25:25 AM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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Republican administrations tend to produce better household numbers - perhaps reflecting a better environment for the self-employed. Democratic administrations tend to show better establishment figures. [reflecting a better environment for the corporate or government employed]

Just one of the major reasons I'm a Republican. The self-employed tend toward creating small businesses, which is the largest employer of all. The Democrats only hold on small business is the income tax. And the Democrats know it and they use it.

11 posted on 08/07/2004 10:36:08 AM PDT by elbucko (A Feral Republican)
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Off base? Nonsense, you're spot on!


12 posted on 08/07/2004 10:37:09 AM PDT by SAJ (Buy 1 NGH05 7.50 call, Sell 3 NGH05 11.00 calls against, for $600-800 net credit OB. Stone lock.)
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....create an environment conducive to job creation.

Thank you - that is exactly the phrase I was looking for, but it escaped me when I started typing.

I just want smaller government........period

13 posted on 08/07/2004 10:38:37 AM PDT by Gabz (Ted Kennedy's driving has killed more people than second hand smoke)
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To: SAJ

Thanks.


14 posted on 08/07/2004 10:40:13 AM PDT by Gabz (Ted Kennedy's driving has killed more people than second hand smoke)
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To: Gabz

I am here to serve. I knew what you were generally getting.

This dem/versus repub thing always got me. It should conservative versus lib.

I would count the real JFK in our camp ( taxes) and nixon in the (economic) lib camp because of price controls, dept of education and rapid expansion of entitilement programs...


15 posted on 08/07/2004 10:44:49 AM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't want the government creating jobs - I just want it to create an atmosphere for the private sector to do so...

Am I totally off base here????

No, the same sentiment is echoed in the Preamble to the Constitution of The United States.

However, the Democrats have extrapolated the phrase: "provide for the common defense" and "promote" the general welfare" to mean; "promote" the common defense and "provide for the common welfare".

16 posted on 08/07/2004 10:47:17 AM PDT by elbucko (A Feral Republican)
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I am shocked that NYT would even mention the other side.

You don't think Hillary wants Kerry to win, do you?

17 posted on 08/07/2004 10:49:18 AM PDT by Moonman62
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I would count the real JFK in our camp ( taxes) and Nixon in the (economic) lib camp because of price controls,....

.......as well as the creation of the EPA and other federal bureaucracies. Nixon, as a politician, was abnormal. A hermaphrodite.( I wonder if they have a primary?)

18 posted on 08/07/2004 10:54:14 AM PDT by elbucko (A Feral Republican)
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To: Mister Baredog
Evan Thomas of Newsweak( a liberal BTW) says liberal media bias is worth 15 points to the Kerry campaign.

For further details see the Media Research Center website.(I don't know how to make a link).

Here you go

Mag Editor: Media “Want Kerry to Win,” Cover: “Sunshine Boys”

19 posted on 08/07/2004 10:55:09 AM PDT by Kaslin (It took Kerry 40 minutes to react on September 11, 2001)
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To: elbucko

EPA, good point. I forgot about that.


20 posted on 08/07/2004 10:57:14 AM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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