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Keyes Vs. Obama? Residents React to Possible Matchup
The Southern Illinoisan ^ | August 6, 2004 | Nicole Sack

Posted on 08/07/2004 6:29:11 AM PDT by MikeJ75

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Keyes is brilliant. You don't have to listen to him long to realize that.

But he cannot win this election. The Democrats will play over and over his criticism on Fox News of Hillary Clinton for parachuting into New York. And they will accuse him of hypocrisy. Keyes needs to come up with a convincing explanation of how what he is doing is different from what Clinton did.

Do two wrongs make a right?

1 posted on 08/07/2004 6:29:11 AM PDT by MikeJ75
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To: MikeJ75

Ah yes I knew there was something strange... Keyes' political forays never quite seem to be straight up.


2 posted on 08/07/2004 6:31:57 AM PDT by thoughtomator (I question the timing of this post)
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To: MikeJ75

I agree. if Obama was a weak candidate, Keyes would have a good shot. However, Obama is not a weak candidate.


3 posted on 08/07/2004 6:32:55 AM PDT by TOUGH STOUGH (Vote for anyone but Darlin' Arlen in November.....)
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To: MikeJ75

No but two(2) Wright's make a plane.... Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

I've been a Keyes supporter for years. I had a picture of him in my office for more than three(3) years. Unfortunately I think you are correct, they will hammer him on his NY statements.


4 posted on 08/07/2004 6:34:20 AM PDT by Dutch Boy
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I wish he would have moved to California instead.


5 posted on 08/07/2004 6:34:21 AM PDT by byteback
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To: MikeJ75
Do two wrongs make a right?

What is wrong with Keyes running. Is he breaking the law?(No). Is he 1000% better than Obama?(yes).

The carpetbagger issue will die down and if Obama refuses to debate he looks likes a coward and I think most people know that Alan Keyes is a much debater and will clean Obama clock.

6 posted on 08/07/2004 6:34:42 AM PDT by Dane (Trial lawyers are the tapeworms to wealth creating society)
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"What I've been taught is that the Republicans stand for the rich, the Democrats stand behind the poor..."

Gee, wonder what life experiences taught that lesson?

7 posted on 08/07/2004 6:38:02 AM PDT by I_dmc
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To: MikeJ75
Tip O'Neill said "All politics is local" before the Internet became a dominant political force.

Post-Internet, "All politics is national."

I will send Keyes money for his campaign, and I don't live in Illinois.

I will not be alone.

8 posted on 08/07/2004 6:38:04 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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BTW, Keyes will bring out issues to Illinois voters that would have not been talked of if Obama had his unopposed coronation.


9 posted on 08/07/2004 6:39:20 AM PDT by Dane (Trial lawyers are the tapeworms to wealth creating society)
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they will hammer him on his NY statements.

Yes. Would you say this change of opinion of his is a "flip" or a "flop"?

10 posted on 08/07/2004 6:39:46 AM PDT by LandOfLincolnGOP
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Yes. Would you say this change of opinion of his is a "flip" or a "flop"?

All Keyes has to say is he just following the Robert Kennedy model.

Now do you agree with Alan Keyes most of the time or do you agree with Obama on the issues.

11 posted on 08/07/2004 6:42:00 AM PDT by Dane (Trial lawyers are the tapeworms to wealth creating society)
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All Keyes has to say is he just following the Robert Kennedy model.

"What's your problem? I'm just following in the footsteps of Bobby Kennedy and Hillary Clinton."

Yep. That'll fire up the GOP base.

12 posted on 08/07/2004 6:44:08 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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"What's your problem? I'm just following in the footsteps of Bobby Kennedy and Hillary Clinton."

Yep. That'll fire up the GOP base

Wrong NS, it didn't matter that Robert Kennedy was not from NY, what matters is the issues.

Now who do you agree with on the majority of the issues, Alan Keyes or Obama.

13 posted on 08/07/2004 6:45:55 AM PDT by Dane (Trial lawyers are the tapeworms to wealth creating society)
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Now do you agree with Alan Keyes most of the time or do you agree with Obama on the issues.

I agree with Keyes overwhelmingly on the issues, and I wish he would run for something he could win in a state in which he lived. But I don't want an imported East Coaster who's going to come here, get his butt handed to him on a plate, and then leave the state and the state party in worse shape than when he arrived. And I'll lay money that that's exactly what's going to happen.

Unlike some of the Keyes boosters, I don't set aside my principles when it's politically expedient. That a dem trick, and I want no part of it.

14 posted on 08/07/2004 6:46:18 AM PDT by LandOfLincolnGOP
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That does leave it open for that question. I think the Dane response might be good at defeating the attack.

I'm not much for carpet baggers. We have one of our own in NY. Their should be a two(2) year residency requirement. If you never lived the pain how can you represent it?


15 posted on 08/07/2004 6:46:59 AM PDT by Dutch Boy
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To: Non-Sequitur

LOL! Priceless.


16 posted on 08/07/2004 6:48:15 AM PDT by LandOfLincolnGOP
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I agree with Keyes overwhelmingly on the issues, and I wish he would run for something he could win in a state in which he lived. But I don't want an imported East Coaster who's going to come here, get his butt handed to him on a plate, and then leave the state and the state party in worse shape than when he arrived. And I'll lay money that that's exactly what's going to happen.

And giving Obama an unopposed cornonation is a better deal for you?

Huh, I guess you think that Obama shouldn't be challenged on an intellecual political level.

17 posted on 08/07/2004 6:48:27 AM PDT by Dane (Trial lawyers are the tapeworms to wealth creating society)
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As I stated on other threads on this subject:

All Free Republic lovers of liberty should be thrilled when an articulate person steeped in an understanding of America's Constitutional republic and the philosophy expressed in the Declaration of Independence gets a chance to be heard by hundreds of thousands of people.

"Let's not quibble about the win/lose question right now. Hadn't the election already been virtually conceded to Obama when Ryan dropped out? If so, let's just be glad that a controversial, outspoken advocate for liberty has a chance to be heard. Who knows, some future young leader may be influenced by the reasoned arguments Keyes will use to rebut the Liberal Left politics of the Democrats.

"Every voice for the Founders' philosophy is needed right now. Keyes, by education and by talent and devotion to the Constitution, needs to be heard. Let him have the pulpit! Give him the vote. Fresh air and sunshine are needed--and the young rising star of the Liberal Left may learn some new debating skills, and a thing or two about America's founding philosophy too."

Alan Keyes is a 21st Century man who holds deeply to the philosophy of Washington, the Adamses, Madison, Jefferson, and all the other geniuses who made the 'miracle of America' come into being. Not only does his Harvard education in constitutional government qualify him for expounding on that philosophy, but he has a Creator-endowed intellect and ability to articulate principles that few others possess. More power to the Illinois GOP for its courage in putting him opposite Obama in the debate arena!!

On some of the so-called "social issues" of the day, Keyes ability to frame those issues will strike a chord with African Americans, as well as other socially conservative groups.

And, if "Divine Providence" played a part in the founding of this "Beacon of Liberty" (America), perhaps he's still alive and well and has found a purpose for Alan Keyes in reframing those ideas for Illinois and America in 2004!


18 posted on 08/07/2004 6:49:02 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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Wrong NS, it didn't matter that Robert Kennedy was not from NY, what matters is the issues.

Bobby Kennedy and Hillary Clinton had the smarts to do their carpet-bagging in strongly Democratic states. Keyes has decided to do the same, but happens to be in the wrong party for it.

Now who do you agree with on the majority of the issues, Alan Keyes or Obama.

It isn't Keyes' positions that I disagree with. It's his lack of principles.

19 posted on 08/07/2004 6:51:13 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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Huh, I guess you think that Obama shouldn't be challenged on an intellecual political level.

On the contrary. I think that running not only fails to challenge Obama, but essentially cedes the next two important elections to the dems as well (Governor and Senator in 2006). Keyes will come, get beat, and the state party will be in even worse shape. Keyes will leave, the national party will see even less local talent on which to pin their hopes (and their dollars), and we'll be guaranteed dem domination until 2010.

Bringing in Keyes is a bad short term fix to a problem that requires a longer view.

20 posted on 08/07/2004 6:52:20 AM PDT by LandOfLincolnGOP
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