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To: NittanyLion
"When the debater insists on misrepresenting the issues"

That's your post, corect?

Here's the sequence of events on this thread, surrounding the issue that you continue to harp on in order to obscure the ones you will not address:

This issue began when a poster posted the following Keyes quote to me:

That was about two weeks before our nation was attacked on September 11th. Try something current.

"I am a conservative. I'm part of that group of conservatives in the party who is not altogether happy with G. W. Bush. I see lots of reasons to find fault with steps that he has taken in various areas, but I'll tell you one thing: I think it's time that everybody in this country understand that when we are faced with a threat to our very survival, we put aside other things and we focus on the fact that we have at the helm somebody who is--even if, let us say for a minute that Iraq was a mistake, as some people are trying to argue. I'd rather have a president who errs on the side of defending this country, and going after our enemies, than somebody like John Kerry who wants to sit on his butt and does nothing while Americans die. And I think that's the key issue here." -- Alan Keyes

http://renewamerica.us/archives/media/interviews/04_03_30hannity.htm

As you could see if you actually opened your eyes, the poster boldened the portion of the quote that he thought significant, and that's what I read and commented on in my response to his post:

"I'd rather have a president who errs on the side of defending this country, and going after our enemies, than somebody like John Kerry who wants to sit on his butt and does nothing while Americans die."

err Listen: [ ûr, r ]
intr.v. erred, err·ing, errs


  1. To make an error or a mistake.
  2. To violate accepted moral standards; sin.
  3. Archaic To stray.

Obviously, in Alan Keyes mid, Bush made a mistake (erred) by going into Iraq.

My original statement stands; Keyes is critical of the war in Iraq.
Enter you!

And here's what you did:

That didn't sound quite right to me, so I googled the quote. And look what I found - the entire quote:

"Even if, let us say for a minute that Iraq was a mistake, as some people are trying to argue," he continued, "I'd rather have a president who errs on the side of defending this country, and going after our enemies, than somebody like John Kerry, who wants to sit on his butt and does nothing while Americans die. And I think that's the key issue here," said Alan Keyes.

You see, you took the quote out of context in an attempt to smear Keyes.

Seems a little dishonest to me...

You decided to ignore the portion of the quote that I had been directed to by the previous poster, and start a discussion on some OTHER boldened portion of the Keyes' quote, AND you refuse to discuss the main issues that I have with what Keyes has done...then you have the gumption to call me dishonest, while engaging in dishonest debating techniques yourself.

But then again, that's par for the course with you, isn't it?

133 posted on 08/08/2004 11:58:20 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Sin Patria, pero sin amo)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
You decided to ignore the portion of the quote that I had been directed to by the previous poster, and start a discussion on some OTHER boldened portion of the Keyes' quote, AND you refuse to discuss the main issues that I have with what Keyes has done...then you have the gumption to call me dishonest, while engaging in dishonest debating techniques yourself.

You took the bolded portion and misrepresented its meaning. You weren't debating over it - you quite purposefully separated it from the remainder of the quote in an attempt to draw your own (mistaken) conclusion. Now, I allowed upthread for the fact that you may have done so out of incompetence rather than some malignant motive.

Whatever the reason, you'd do well to admit your mistake and move on. Your defense of the clearly indefensible is embarrassing to watch. But I'm not about to engage in a serious debate over a quote you purposefully took out of context.

134 posted on 08/08/2004 12:12:17 PM PDT by NittanyLion
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