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Down on the farm / A WTO plan would cut subsidies and boost trade
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette ^ | Friday, August 06, 2004 | editorial

Posted on 08/06/2004 2:37:27 PM PDT by Willie Green

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To: Carry_Okie
Please describe how the proposed system is fabricated or bureaucratically imposed.

I, and every other man, women and child on this planet, have a God-given inalienable right to the freely breathe the air that surrounds us WITHOUT any financial/economic system granting us permission to do so. To suggest that such a right is a transferrable, marketable commodity that can be bought/sold/traded by government authorized artificial corporate entities acting as risk assessing certification agents is absolutely ludicrous. Fabricating an artificial, complex system of bureacratic legal documents and contracts so our natural resources can be "managed" by a bunch of money-grubbing Enron-style daytraders is the epitome of idiocy.

A true free market is efficient.
And efficiency abhors the artificial complexity you seek to impose to harness market forces.
Your proposal is hooey, but I congratulate you on your success as an author.
There are many "free market" fanatics who are so mesmerized by the mantra that they'll buy into any convoluted proposal that satiates their addiction to market jargon. You do have a very unique twist on this fad, so I hope you sell enough books to maintain a respectable standard of living. But like the authors who specialize in investigating BigFoot, the Loch Ness monster, crop circles, etc. etc., I don't take your proposal seriously. Sorry.

21 posted on 08/07/2004 11:45:04 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Alan Go!!!)
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To: Willie Green

Right on, Willie. "Emissions markets" and other such constructs are mainly an excuse to have the U.N. skim their house take from the casino they create for those purposes.

These are no markets but travesties of markets. End farm subsidies, and uneconomical farming will end in the U.S., and the remaining farmers will not have to compete with the government or plant as they are told to by the government.


22 posted on 08/07/2004 2:02:19 PM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite, it's almost worth defending.)
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To: eno_
These are no markets but travesties of markets.

Amen. True markets naturally evolve to provide tangible goods and service demanded by individual consumers.
So-called "market driven environmentalism" relies on the creation of an artificial commodity that no individual consumer actually wants or needs to purchase. It's just another phoney and complex financial shell game dreamed up by lawyers, beancounters and bureaucrats to skim some money off the cash flow.

23 posted on 08/07/2004 2:48:32 PM PDT by Willie Green (Go Alan Go!!!)
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To: Willie Green
I have always believed that we as a nation have farm subsidies so that we insure the nation will always have food to eat. This seems to me to be a good thing.
24 posted on 08/07/2004 3:05:38 PM PDT by jpsb (Nominated 1994 "Worst writer on the net")
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To: jpsb
I have always believed that we as a nation have farm subsidies so that we insure the nation will always have food to eat.

That's exactly why we have farm subsidies.
And that's exactly why the marxist left-wing want to end our farm subsidies.

25 posted on 08/07/2004 3:11:44 PM PDT by Willie Green (Go Alan Go!!!)
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To: Willie Green

Thanks I was having a dificult time with this thread. Now I understand.


26 posted on 08/07/2004 3:18:35 PM PDT by jpsb (Nominated 1994 "Worst writer on the net")
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To: jpsb
It's all about impoverishing our nation and making us dependent on their global-marxist generosity and compassion.
On a global scale, it's also about "caring" and population reduction (through forced abortions, famine and starvation) so that the plague of human habitation can be reduced to environmentally sustainable levels.

Pretty scarey stuff, isn't it?

27 posted on 08/07/2004 3:34:24 PM PDT by Willie Green (Go Alan Go!!!)
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To: Willie Green

Where does a big city newspaper get it's expertise on farming. On a Sunday drive through the countryside? How can the newspaper claim farming is so inefficient and in need of subsidy when airlines and public transportation also requires federal subsidy to remain in operation? How about big steel mills in Pitt? How much subsidy do they get for their products? Perhaps federal subsidy of all business should end and then we could really see the impact of how much influence a government "we the people" subsidy has on everyday life.

As for feeding the rest of the world, apparantly our "inefficient farming system" is among the most efficient in the world if we are able to export billions of dollars worth of food items to the rest of the "efficient but starving " world.


28 posted on 08/08/2004 7:53:38 AM PDT by o_zarkman44
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To: o_zarkman44

Add the drug companies to the subsidized list, they look like the big hogs at the table.


29 posted on 08/08/2004 8:00:50 AM PDT by junta
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To: o_zarkman44
How can the newspaper claim farming is so inefficient and in need of subsidy when airlines and public transportation also requires federal subsidy to remain in operation?

You have it backwards,
This left-wing rag is in favor of elimination of subsidies.
Their goal is to allow predatory competition to erode the stability of the agriculture sector and jeopardize our food supply.

30 posted on 08/08/2004 9:00:24 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Alan Go!!!)
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To: chainsaw
You're absolutely right. America's farmers are over capitalized: They shouldn't be carrying so much debt. These subsidies are a carryover from the FDR years. I fail to
see why we can't let the market decide the price of these products.
31 posted on 08/11/2004 7:42:03 AM PDT by upcountryhorseman (An old fashioned conservative)
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