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Guns and deep remorse in the land Down Under
The Winnipeg Sun ^ | August 6, 2004 | JOHN GLEESON

Posted on 08/06/2004 10:20:39 AM PDT by neverdem

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To: Snuffington

Sounds like a textbook case of "bad seed".


41 posted on 08/06/2004 1:18:51 PM PDT by steve-b (Panties & Leashes Would Look Good On Spammers)
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To: neverdem

Well, you have to be alive to feel bad about killing the other guy. Not much of an alternative....


42 posted on 08/06/2004 1:20:15 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (I shook my inner child until its eyes bled...)
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To: Travis McGee
Hey, Travis, have you seen a book called Elective Decisions? by our very own freeper: writer33? I just got it in the mail, looking forward to cracking it when I get done with the Left Behind series (only three more of them to go). I think you can check it out here: whiskey creek press
43 posted on 08/06/2004 1:27:17 PM PDT by ExSoldier (M1A: Any mission. Any conditions. Any foe. At any range.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Even cops are on the side of the crooks.

Dollars to donuts that perticular cop was a crook all along. The apple does'nt fall far from the tree.

44 posted on 08/06/2004 1:27:18 PM PDT by Dinsdale
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Well DANG! The link doesn't work. Anyway it's http://www.whiskeycreekpress.com if somebody not html challenged can make it fly.
45 posted on 08/06/2004 1:29:16 PM PDT by ExSoldier (M1A: Any mission. Any conditions. Any foe. At any range.)
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To: neverdem
THAT MAKES PERFECT sense to me, but to those who wish we also enjoyed the freedom to "pack heat" for personal protection, all I can say is look at the case of poor Karen Brown. A trained security guard, when she was attacked she didn't have time to use her gun to defend herself. Had she tried drawing it while Aquilina was beating her, he might have forced it from her and used it, on her or someone else.

This statement shows us all how ineffective guns are in violent situations. All the cops should now give up their guns too because we know they won't help them anyway.

Gag me with a pitchfork!

46 posted on 08/06/2004 1:40:05 PM PDT by 2nd_Amendment_Defender ("It is when people forget God that tyrants forge their chains." -- Patrick Henry)
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To: Dinsdale
Dollars to donuts that perticular cop was a crook all along. The apple does'nt fall far from the tree.

NSW police force in the 1970s. I wouldnt't bet against you.

47 posted on 08/06/2004 5:13:07 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy ("Despise not the jester. Often he is the only one speaking the truth")
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To: neverdem

Dear Mr. Rasmussen, too bad Karen Brown killed your kid. The awful, sorry tragedy here is that you raised a piece of walking human garbage that assaulted and tried to kill a woman for money. Now she has to live with the sorrow and guilt of having killed your kid. She should sue YOU for being an abject failure as an example and an utter embarrassment as a cop. I wonder what your fellow cops think of you for having an armed robber and woman beating hero for a kid? You get NO sympathy from me. Up yours, Rasmussen.


48 posted on 08/06/2004 5:54:16 PM PDT by PeterFinn
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To: marktwain
The psycological trauma to this heroic woman is mostly because of the media culture where she lives. If the media there were calling her a heroine, and validating her heroic actions, she would have far less psycological problems.

All media outlets,from talk-back radio to current affairs tv,are in her corner,and she has the overwhelming support of the general public.She is genuinely upset that she shot someone dead.She is a she afterall.

When a person has beaten you half to death and is still in the immediate vicinity, they are still a threat.

He was in the car about to drive away and was no longer a threat to her as such,but she pursued him.The shooting was about justice,which she was perfectly entitled to carry out in that circumstance.

I don't think there is a jury in America that would convict this woman.

I doubt there is a jury in the world that would convict her.

49 posted on 08/06/2004 7:07:54 PM PDT by armed_in_sydney
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To: 68skylark
I'm sorry the experience was so traumatic for the security guard.

Last I read, she was being charged with murder. Her ordeal has just begun, sadly.

50 posted on 08/06/2004 7:12:15 PM PDT by RogueIsland
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To: neverdem
The upside is that there is one less scumbag in the world; the downside is the trauma to the lady from his assault, a trauma that will probably last her a lifetime.
My normally robust *Anglophilia* really diminishes every time I read a story like this out of Australia, or England, or Canada...
51 posted on 08/06/2004 7:33:28 PM PDT by A Jovial Cad ("I had no shoes and I complained, until I saw a man who had no feet.")
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To: King Prout

Non human sentients? I don't believe I've had the pleasure, LOL!


52 posted on 08/06/2004 9:39:24 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: ExSoldier

I did, I checked out Whiskey Creek as well, looks interesting.


53 posted on 08/06/2004 9:40:23 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: neverdem

So, if I follow this story correctly, Ms. Brown should have been unarmed and depending on the likes of the elder Mr. Rassmussen for protection against the likes of his grandson, is that it? Nothing wrong with that picture...


54 posted on 08/06/2004 9:46:57 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: neverdem

Sounds like somebody brought brass knuckles to a gunfight.


55 posted on 08/06/2004 9:51:17 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: neverdem
A trained security guard, when she was attacked she didn't have time to use her gun to defend herself. Had she tried drawing it while Aquilina was beating her, he might have forced it from her and used it, on her or someone else.

Or had she not drawn her gun, she could be dead now. Dumbass.

56 posted on 08/06/2004 10:00:34 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: neverdem

More info:



Guard asked for smoke after shooting robber
By Drew Warne-Smith and Natalie O'Brien
July 31, 2004

WHEN Karen Brown shot William Aquilina in the carpark of the Moorebank Hotel he had just robbed, shocked witnesses had no idea she was a security guard.

Dressed in tight black jeans and a leather jacket, the blonde looked like a patron of the sprawling, modern hotel in Sydney's southwest.

Witnesses said Ms Brown, who is the de facto wife of a member of the Lone Wolf bikie club, followed Aquilina to his car, shot him through the closed window of his vehicle and then "wandered around" the parking lot, bleeding from a scalp wound on the back of her head.

For some minutes after the shooting, Aquilina lay slumped in the driver's seat of the stolen getaway car coughing up blood.

As the robber lay dying, Ms Brown asked a bystander for a cigarette, but he declined, saying he had only one left.

It was only later, as Ms Brown was being treated by a paramedic that police realised she might still have a gun, said witness Sam Capar.

"One cop suddenly yelled out to check if she had a gun, but she didn't. So they just took her away in an ambulance," he said.

The fatal shooting last Monday has prompted security industry insiders to question the circumstances surrounding the robbery, in which Ms Brown, dressed in plain clothes, was alone and picking up about $55,000 in cash.

Aquilina bashed Ms Brown with brass knuckles in the robbery, and it is feared she may lose the sight of one eye.

Scans have revealed Ms Brown suffered a fractured skull and a broken nose in the attack during the robbery. She is still being treated in hospital and is yet to be interviewed by police.

Ms Brown worked for Elite Guard Forces, a company run by her de facto husband, George Muratore, which was believed to be subcontracting the job from a company called Divisional Security Group.

Through barrister Joseph Busuttil, Mr Muratore refused to answer questions on whether his company carried out the necessary security-risk assessments for its role in collecting cash from the hotel, or whether Ms Brown as a plainclothes "soft skin" guard had breached regulations in taking delivery of such a large sum.

Police sources have told The Weekend Australian the Lone Wolf Motorcycle club, which has its headquarters in Lismore, northeast NSW, is a low-profile club that has not attracted police attention.

George Muratore's father, Vic Muratore, defended the couple over their membership of the Lone Wolf club. "Just because they ride the bikes doesn't mean they've done anything wrong," he said. "It has nothing to do with this."

He considered Ms Brown as a daughter. She was a "kind person" who was always helping friends. "All the time you see her, she is doing things for others," he said. "Helping with the shopping, whatever."

Neighbours of the pair in Rooty Hill, western Sydney, who asked not to be named, said Ms Brown and George Muratore led a "quiet life" and had never caused any trouble.


Why I killed the robber
ECLUSIVE by BEN JONSTON and WARREN OWENS
01aug04

THE security guard who shot and killed a robber who bashed her has spoken about her ordeal for the first time.

Shaking and crying, a traumatised Karen Brown, 42, said yesterday she had feared for her life as she was punched in the head several times by William Aquilina, who was armed with a knuckle duster.

"I was so scared," she said of the ambush and shooting outside a hotel in Sydney's southwest last Monday morning.

Ms Brown suffered a fractured skull, a fractured eye socket, a fractured nose, a fractured left hand and possible brain damage when the 25-year-old grabbed her hair, king-hit her and then battered her to the ground.

The convicted criminal then dragged her across the bitumen towards a stolen getaway car before she could release a bag containing between $30,000 and $50,000 in hotel takings.
Moments later, a bleeding Ms Brown, who was dressed in casual clothes and whose gun had been concealed, shot Aquilina as he sat in the car.

Surrounded by her family, Ms Brown tried to recall the incident that left her covered in blood in the hotel car park.

"I looked up through a bloody haze," Ms Brown said. "I did not know where I was or exactly what had happened to me. All I knew was that blood was pouring into my eyes and my head was throbbing."

Despite her injuries, which also include severe concussion and a floating bone fragment behind her eyeball, Ms Brown said she felt sympathy for Aquilina's family and expressed remorse for what had occurred.

"I really feel sorry for his family," said Ms Brown, who has been a security guard for four years. "It must be awful. I just wish this had never happened. It's been a terrible week."

Ms Brown had been collecting and banking the pub's takings for the past five months.

"Nothing like this has ever happened before and nothing prepares you for this," she said.
Ms Brown's sister, Katrina, said the incident had been devastating.

"It has completely wrecked her life," she said at the Sydney home Ms Brown shares with her de facto, George Muratore. "She's a complete mental and physical wreck. This is the worst thing that's ever happened in her life. She has never hurt anybody or anything before and it's completely crushed her."

Mr Muratore's father, Vic, 73, said he believed Ms Brown should not be punished.

"She should not be charged -- I would have done the same thing," he said. "If you pay me to protect, I have to protect. Everybody reckons she's a champion.

"We have known her for seven years and she is a very decent person -- she is a good person.

"I say sorry for the other people, but you deserve what you get when you do something like that."

But Aquilina's grandfather, retired policeman Frank Rasmussen, has said Ms Brown should be charged.

"He was murdered," Mr Rasmussen said. "That woman should have torn into that hotel as soon as she alleges she was hit and she should have asked for help. Instead, she advanced on my grandson and shot him in cold blood.

"She's just a bitch. Sorry."

Mr Rasmussen said he was upset by how his grandson -- who has convictions for drugs and robbery -- had been portrayed.

"They're saying he's a rotten dangerous criminal and he's not. He's lovable," he said.
"We still don't believe he's done this on his own -- he's too good a person.

"He's never been involved in anything like this in almost 26 years that we've known him. It's not in his nature."

Ms Brown underwent further medical tests on Thursday. Detectives are not expecting to speak to her until tomorrow.

Channel 7 has secured Ms Brown for the only television interview, on Today Tonight, tomorrow night.


My guess is she'll walk - as she should - but will have nightmares for years to come.


57 posted on 08/06/2004 10:08:39 PM PDT by Mr Rogers
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