Days after Plain Dealer ''outing''; CHL-holder Bill Singleton is dead

Ohioans for Concealed Carry PAC ^ | August 4, 2004 | Compiled from news reports at Cleveland.com, NewsNet5.com, and

[KrisKrinkle]

Maybe a different perspective on something already posted.

[Larry Lucido]

Just damn.

[muawiyah]

The folks at the Plain Dealer tried to rip off USPS some time back with phoney-baloney Plus mailing data.

Obviously the morals do not improve as you move into the editorial suite.

Whatever, the best answer to give these jerks who think the crooks need to know who has the guns is that when they publish lists like this they are also informing the most dangerous professional crooks about who DOES NOT HAVE A GUN!

This is of vital importance if your business is home break-ins. The fact that "newsies" keep on doing it must mean they have a personal interest in burglary.

[Americanwolf]

another reason for CCW.

[MarkL]

This is no different than after NBC did a report on "cop killer bullets," where they publicised the fact that some police officers wore soft body armor, something that wasn't really known publicly at the time.

Police unions and advocacy groups all over the country BEGGED NBC not to run the story, but trying to get guns and ammunition banned was more important to NBC.

And the number of police shooting fatalities increased, due to the fact that criminals now aimed for the cop's head!

Despicable!

Mark

[WVNan]

Sounds to me like Mr. Doug Clifton needs to hear from the people. Anybody got info?

[ButThreeLeftsDo]

But if the press is allowed to publish lists of permit holders, you may just as well wear a t-shirt with a bulls-eye on it. As a permit holder, you must adhere to a fairly strict set of rules regarding when you can and cannot draw and fire in defense of your life, if you wish to stay out of legal trouble.

Bad guys have no such set of rules to abide by.

The press in this country is NOT ON YOUR SIDE.

YOU, are the bad guy.

[Americanwolf]

The email address for Mr. Clifton is on the Plains dealer web site under contact us. I am not sure what the moderators feelings are about posting info out here so I would rather direct you to that.

[Americanwolfsbrother]

Man if this Chifton character had done that in AZ he wouldn't be around long enough to write a rebuttal. Its a concealed weapon for a reason! We don't want the bad guys to know we can will ourselves! God if I wanted a gun fight I'd just wear the sidearm in the open and let the little jerks know I was ready.

[boxerblues]

need an Ohio ping

[mtntop3]

To receive a concealed-carry permit in Ohio, it is necessary that the applicant submit to a thorough background check by law enforcement authorities plus successfully complete a specified concealed-carry orientation/training course.

There is, thus, no good reason why it should be necessary in any way to publicize, or "out", a person who undergoes this process. In some circumstances, it may even set up the premeditated slaying of that person.

[ButThreeLeftsDo]

"I'd just wear the sidearm in the open and let the little jerks know I was ready."

Yep, a nice little strapless-style holster...

;-)

[arthurus]

I am sure there were smiles all around the newsroom. They probably didn't have a party but they were smug.

[arthurus]

And there were smiles all around in the NBC studios after that one. This sort of thing they regard as their duty, the results their reward.

[Americanwolf]

I realize that the press is not on our side in this country when it comes to the 2nd amendment. I am also aware of the restrictions of CCW. I also realize that this article that is being referred to where Mr. Singlton was mention was essentially a list outing all that had applied for CCW in that area.

There press in this country. (not all outlets, but far to many.) Allow many of their own editors and reporters to interject their personal agendas into there writing and work. Is it right, No. But under the laws in this country unfortunately things like applications are available in some states as public information. That gets to be a dicey issue to debate the legality and necessity or releasing records like that.

At least part of the responsibility for this lays with the managing staff of the Plains Dealer for not using good judgment when taking this info to press. I would not be surprise after this if others that had their name publish decided to take action against the paper. As for the rest of us we can just send an email or letter to the Plains dealer and particularly the editor involve and remind him of his civic responsibility to protect his fellow citizens and remind him how he has already failed one of them. Regardless it is instances like this that only strengthen my resolve and reasoning for having CCW.

[Charlespg]

time or mr singtons family to dish out some personal justice

[Tacis]

What did the left winger hope to accomplish by publishing the list of names? Did he give a reason?

Does this paper print he names of registered sex offenders? How about public officials who are in arrears on their property taxes? How about the names of criminals who use a gun in a crime but are under the official age in Ohio, maybe 16?

[Americanwolf]

NO...... HE DOES NOT LOOK GOOD IN ANYTHING STRAPLESS!

[mabelkitty]

Hope the family sues.

[Americanwolf]

Yes, I am sure there was some smugness there. I hope it only went to the point until somebody with conscience in the news room realize that they may have cost someone their life.