Posted on 08/02/2004 7:45:39 PM PDT by JackelopeBreeder
As the U.S. Border Patrol steps up surveillance along the Arizona-Mexico border, immigrant smugglers are acting more violently toward agents, officials say. There have been about the same number of assaults this year as there were at this time in 2003, but the degree of violence is significantly higher, Border Patrol spokesman Andy Adame said Monday.
As enforcement is beefed up in Arizona, the busiest illegal entry point along the 2,000-mile border, smugglers are getting more desperate, Adame said. "They're starting to see some losses," he said, "And when you talk financial gain with smugglers and the loss of it, they're going to react violently."
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I didn't say "illegals", I said immigrants. But what makes you think that most Hispanic owned businesses don't pay taxes? The only way I know for successful companies to avoid paying taxes is too have creative accountants. If you want to pick up some extra cash the IRS is now paying rewards for information on tax evaders.
"who's paying for their wives' and children's medical care?"
Probably the same people who pay for yours and mine. Federal law requires hospitals that accept Medicare and Medicaid payments to provide emergency room service to anyone regardless of ability to pay. This only requires the hospital to stabilize the person, and arrange transportation to another hospital if necessary, not provide continuing care. Federal law allows hospitals to refuse treatment to people who are not legal residents. If your local or state government is taxing you for treatment of illegal aliens, that is a choice made by your local or state government or hospital district. It is not a federal issue.
"What about all the tax-paying American contractors that have obeyed the law for all these years and are now being put out of business "
90% of all businesses fold within five years of startup. All of the owners have some excuse. Blaming unfair competition is very common.
But anyone in the construction or building trades industries today who doesn't hire Hispanics laborers (legal or not) is going to be at a disadvantage. That's because American boys don't grow up wanting to be carpenters or bricklayers today. Parents want them to go to collage and be lawyers or doctors. When they can't get into graduate school and after they've exhausted relatives to sell insurance policies to, its too late for most of them to change their expectations of life careers. They aren't willing to to start at the bottom doing the dirty low skill hard labor jobs that immigrants are willing to take on order to feed their families back in Mexico.
After twenty years of American youths shunning menial labor entry level jobs, the only people with experience and skill are those that immigrated here many years ago and their children. They are now the only ones in positions to start their own contracting businesses.
If you really want to change the situation, start by encouraging your children or grandchildren to drop out of school and go to work shoveling asphalt or digging trenches or tarring roofs for $8.00 an hour. Start a movement to close down junior colleges. They are the biggest thieves of potential menial laborers among the American middle class. Prohibit your kids from learning computer skills. Make them play with saws and hammers. Don't allow books in your home. Reading is a trap that lures our youth into higher education and destroys their natural inclination to crawl through hot attics replacing ductwork. Don't just whine about Mexicans doing jobs Americans won't do, force Americans to do those jobs.
Your post # 41 is so freakin' wrong, it's hard to decide exactly which sentence to shred first.
So, I guess I'll just start with the most profoundly stupid one (I cannot say racist, because hispanics are not a race), so I'll just point out the extremely bigoted remark.
"Anyone in the construction business who doesn't hire Hispanic laborers (legal or not) is going to be at a disadvantge".
Ok, you nutcase, substitute "White" or "Black" in place of Hispanic.
case closed.
By illegal aliens brandishing weed whackers and hedge trimmers no doubt. Tell us, do they do this before or after they mulch the rose bushes?
Your story becomes more fictional each time you elaborate. Now your friend is a billionaire who was put out of business by a few Mexicans with push mowers in the back of 1970s pickups.
You're correct, I probable haven't been to a county named Fairfield in Connecticut. I thought you were probably talking about some town in Southern California or Ohio.
But the world has changed among the wealthy in that part of America. Perhaps your friend, like many there, just didn't change with the times.
I use to visit friends, Ed and Jimmy Hart, in Hartford who inherited one of those big old estates. Parts of the spur were still there where the barn for their private rail car used to be. But all those private coach related businesses are gone now. No one travels in their own rail cars to Miami anymore. Have you noticed? It's those damn airplanes that have stolen all the good jobs from Pullman. Those planes are made by illegal aliens don't you know? And instead of going to Miami, they mostly go to Cancun and other Mexican places.
Try looking up the word "xenophobia" in the dictionary. It'll be near the back next to a picture of Pat Buchanan. And don't forget to vote for Kerry; he understands the problems of Northeastern billionaires.
Nope, once again, your furtive imagination takes over.....LOl
WTF....is with YOU and MEXICANS?
PLEASE, tell me, the suspense is absolutely driving me nuts here! Do you work for Vincente' Fox?
Well, yes, my friend is a millionaire on paper, I suppose...actually, he was put out of business by scumbag business owners hiring droves of illegals....undercutting his bids for local Town contracts.. When you bid to landscape a ball field, or town property, you have to provide insurance papers etc and be bonded. One by one, local legit business owners felt the heat of unfair competition due to the influx if illegals...and became tax scofflaws and dirtbags and hired illegals. The towns turn a blind eye to these scumbags now.....I won't bore you with the details, but my buddy is a pretty honest dude and never succumbed to these pressures...you can summize (through your vivid halucinations) what may have occurred. Some call it "death by a thousand cuts".
another thing......a little secret here....don't let it get out though....Bush family is from Greenwhich CT.
they're "old money" from the east....not really the "good 'ole boys " they like to come off as....
First off, rod, the thread is about "illegals", not "legals". Try to keep up. Legal immigrants have a LEGAL right to be here and own businesses, but illegals do NOT!
Rod, I do know quite a bit about the construction industry. I've lived around it all my life. My brothers are legal, American citizens who run their own concrete construction business in Tulsa. They are being forced out by illegals, and by the way, rod, they've been in business since the early 80s, so, they're kind of past that "five-year" thing you talked about. And, yes, unfair competition IS what is driving them out of business. In your opinion, what other laws, besides immigration and labor laws, are OK to break to maximinze profits, in your opinion, rod?
And, rod, my husband is a crane operator and has been for 30 years. His company refuses to hire illegals. All the people working for them are legal American citizens, of different colors and ethnicities, and they still seem to be able to find Americans who are willing to get their hands dirty and do a hard day's work for a FAIR - that's the operative word here - day's pay. Funny thing - the company also still manages to bring in their bridges on time and under budget, all without resorting to breaking U.S. immigration and labor laws!
A whole lot of my family do these dirty, hard jobs you have so much contempt for. My family members were doing them long before "rent-a-slave illegals" became popular with employers. Apparently, you begrude me and my family - taxpaying citizens all - a decent living.
So don't try to tell me how "no Americans will do these jobs." These jobs have put food on our table and a roof over our heads for a lot of years now.
On to the medical care issues: We pay our hospital and medical bills. We've never used Medicaid or expected fellow taxpayers to carry our load for us. I can't say whether you pay your medical billes or not, since I don't know you.
You bring up the fact that the state is the one responsibe for the fact that illegals are getting treatment at hopsitals: My answer is this - state or Federal taxes, what's the difference? I pay both, buster, so it's all the same to me. My tax money is subsidizing some scuzzbucket business owner's pseudoslave laborers and their families.
As far as this federally-mandated "stabilizing care" you bring up that hospitals are required to give, who picks up the tab for that? You do, if you pay taxes.
I've worked in the medical field for over 20 years so I do know how much it's costing the taxpayers to provide medical care to illegals. I see it quite often. Case in point: An illegal alien roofer falls off a four-story building and is brought in to an ER. He requires long-term, very expensive healthcare - not just "stabilizing care" - since he is now paralyzed from the chest down. The state taxpayers will pick up the tab because of course there was no Workmen's Comp being paid on the guy (taxpayer-cheating business owner!) and he is an illegal with no means of support. And, no, this is not a hypothetical situation. It is one that took place in a hospital earlier this summer. As I said before: State or local taxes - they all come out of my pocket!
Of course American kids should be able to get an education and shoot for bigger and better things. This is America, after all. But what about American kids who aren't college material? I know, I know. They should just STFU and fight the illegals for a job, like dogs fighting over scraps, right?
I will admit that illegal immigration is hurting my family, due to declining wages and rising taxes. Will you be honest and tell us all why protecting illegal alien labor is so important to you?
LOL! Exactly.
Excellent post, thanks. Good luck to you and your hubby.
Thank you for your good wishes. I just get kind of tired of these "jobs Americans won't do" know-it-alls. Most of them don't even know any blue-collar workers so I wonder where they get their information from. I get kind of wound up over this particular issue. It gets kind of frustrating to know that our blue-collar Republican votes aren't as good as white-collar Republican votes in the eyes of some of the posters on this forum.
I'm fighting tooth and nail to keep Missouri from going the way of Texas and California, in regard to illegals. I'll be going to one of Sen. Bond's listening posts in the next couple of days. I hope he's ready to listen, 'cause I've got a lot to say! :)
well, we had the Ground Observer Corps in the 50's, The Peace Corp in the 60's, the Job Corps, etc- what we need now is the
BORDER OBSERVER CORPS
Join now to protect the border, look, report and citizen arrest!
The Native Americans are armed and already doing it along the USA-Canadian border with the blessing of both US and Canuck govt.
It is time for the rest of us to follow suit!
yah
Sounds like a plan!
It's the typical propaganda tactic: repeat a lie often enough until it becomes the "truth". Only problem for the cheap labor pimps is that hardly anyone is falling for it.
The result is I expect their desperation to get worse in the coming months, which means we'll be hearing even more talk about the evils of "racism" and "xenophobia".
I see, your problem is only with the immigrants who are "illegal", not with the ones who are legal.
Well the solution is simply. President Bush has already proposed it. Just make them legal. No more "slave labor", no more exploitations, no more uninsured employers. Everyone will be happy.
(You're supposed to respond that it would be wrong to reward someone who initially broke the law by entering illegally. To which I respond that the plan requires them to reenter legally.)
I congratulate you and your family on making careers in the construction and trades. In my opinion, our public schools are only preparing students to go to work in the offices of large companies and government agencies.
But, in my opinion, there is greater opportunity and room for personal satisfaction in non-white collar vocations. Years ago I saw a study that showed that the income of the average master electrician in Texas is greater than that of the average lawyer. But how many parents like to admit to their country club friends that their son is going to trade school instead of The University Of Texas? That's why many Americans won't take jobs that immigrants will take. Our culture doesn't approve.
Why don't you suggest to your brothers that they simply follow the law when hiring. Make the applicant sign the application that says he is a citizen or legal immigrant. Photocopy his SS or green card and attach the copy to the application which you keep on file. Make him fill out the withholding request forms and treat all employees identically as far as withholding, insurance, etc... If it turns out that the SS or green card was borrowed, stolen altered, or forged, your brothers are in the clear. It shouldn't be their responsibility to enforce immigration laws anymore than any other laws.
PS., I don't know what STFU means. Must be some Okie phrase.
Until you respond and tell me why you're so enamored of illegal aliens, and so anxious to keep a ready supply of illegal labor here in the U.S., I'm done "talking" to you. I've been honest and told you why I'm so against it. Why don't you reciprocate?
You're right, of course. They're always careful to pepper their posts with "xenophobe" and "racist". Could be a clue to what political party they REALLY belong to, couldn't it?
Might be the one that begins with D and has rat in it. They're the masters at trolling.
Actually, I believe most of these ones that are so quick to throw out "xenophobe" and "racist" belong to a new political party called the "Cheap Labor Party". They just like to wrap themselves in a cloak of selfless devotion to the cause of multiculturalism because it makes them feel so warm and fuzzy. I wonder who they think they're fooling?
1) Close the entire southern border, using the military and including APCs on the border pointing towards Mexico.
2) Identify all illegals inside America and all employers participating in the invasion. Punish them, deporting the invaders and fining/imprisoning the employers. So many Middle Eastern young men are playing 'Mexican invader' at our Southern Border each day, I wonder if it isn't already an extremely dire situation right now. They're here and keep coming.
3) Repeat on the Northern Border and put substantial financial pressure (penalties, access, etc.) on Canada AND Mexico to end the abuse of America from THEIR borders.
4) THEN, let's talk about moving forward...
If only we could get them to leave the GOP now before they take the party and the country down in the name of profits.
I'm just cynical enough to say it ain't gonna happen. The government pigs from both parties love the slop these people are doling out. They'll keep fighting around the trough, squealing for more, as long as the Cheap Labor Party is pouring it out for them. They're sure not going to bite the hand that's putting the slop in their trough! I think it's only going to get worse.
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