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And again, people wonder why Bush is having problems with working class voters who own guns, go to church and are culturally conservative. Go on, alienate more people and soon the base gets weaker and weaker. One very iornic things is that the professionals who are most helped by these economic chnages such as Doctors, Lawyers and related feilds, are also trending Democratic based on social issues

I know, plus the Reagan Democrats helped in the 1980's because of that social conservatism. I know myself, I admit I'm very socially conserative while being more economically moderate. I guess I do have a little bit of Pittsburgh Democrat in me after all, I tend to lean towards fair-trade and somewhat pro-union. Had I lived in the 1930's, I could have voted for FDR. Pittsburgh Democrats are like that. Still over the economic issue, they'll vote for Kerry. We can't have that. Myself, I know better, I think President Bush is poor on some economic issues on the trade and jobs but for the sake of our security, we need to stay the course with this war on terror.

Unfortunatly, the economic is the bread and butter issue of many people and rightly so, so that is our achilles heel.

Still some will be willing to stomach homosexual marriage and other things because of that. Again, I know much better, but there are people who will toss it all for promises of a better economy. If people cannot give good jobs, going down the moral cesspool will not matter. Then again, the Democrats say they will go through on these economic promises but don't do anything on them anyhoo so either way, we are screwed.

I know there are many factors here but we do need to address the issues of "Borders, Language, and Culture" (with apologies to Michael Savage) as well.

I guess I do have a little bit of Pittsburgh Democrat in me after all, I tend to lean towards fair-trade and somewhat pro-union. Had I lived in the 1930's, I could have voted for FDR. Pittsburgh Democrats are like that.

Yep. Morons, one and all. They will be morons right up until they drive the last manufacturer out of town.

FDR was the man who instituted modern free trade policies which have so decimated the non-competitive Rust Belt industries by taking away their guaranteed US market. They voted against their own interests out of a greed for the money they thought they could get with FDR union policies. It worked - for them -, for about 25 years until the huge recession in 1958 (a recession the Republicans were rightly punished for with 25 years in the wilderness for their complicity with FDR economic policies). Anyone with eyes could see it was all over after that as one industry after another (ship building, primary metals, steel, mining, autos, machine tools, rail equipment, textiles) folded quickly like a cheap suit over the next 25 years. It certainly sucked for their children and grandchildren.

But Americans are kept such economic illiterates, they'll never even realize what happened.