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It's almost as if all of Lewistown has been outsourced
The Harrisburg Patriot-News ^ | Sunday, August 01, 2004 | BILL SULON

Posted on 08/02/2004 5:34:00 PM PDT by Willie Green

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To: Alberta's Child
. . . nor was the coal miner in Scranton, PA . . .

Well I've seen picture of my grandfather in new Fords from that time. Although he made his best money during WWII as I recall.

101 posted on 08/02/2004 9:01:50 PM PDT by Rev DMV
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To: Nowhere Man

But Kerry is going to do nothing economically for them on these issues - unless they want to be on public assistance. true, they may vote for him because he is the "other guy", but not because he has any affirmative message on this.


102 posted on 08/02/2004 9:02:50 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Huber


Do the political math, should there ne a ruthless race to the bottom? What will be the political and social fallout from this? Do you want socialized medicined and a bigger welfare state than ever before because of the votes of the displaced workers and imported labor?


103 posted on 08/02/2004 9:05:17 PM PDT by RFT1
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To: Huber
Stop whining.

Ahh, but I'm not whining. Rather, I'm working to change attitudes and perceptions.

Start a business.

No thank you. My present employment pays me enough to buy my needs, along with a number of luxuries.

Move to a state with a better tax and regulatory environment.

Texas is a notably business friendly state. I see no reason to move.

Figure out how to automate your industry to make labor rate arbitrage irrelevent.

I could. But that wouldn't do my fellow Americans much good.

Act like a conservative, not a union socialist.

Act like a conservative, you say? Do you mean someone who believes in the constitution, someone who supports the views of some of our greatest presidents? If that's what you mean, my opposition to free traitors is fully conservative.

On the other hand, the free traitors are those who follow the teachings of Bill Clinton, father of the WTO - and who would betray U.S. sovereignty by sending American jobs to communist China.

I suggest that you act like a conservative, not a U.N. globalist that seeks to destroy the U.S.

104 posted on 08/02/2004 9:06:29 PM PDT by neutrino (Lord, what fools these mortals be! (William Shakespeare, Midsummer Nights Dream))
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To: annyokie

Upper Roxborough (above Parker Ave.), and Roxborough proper (Ridge Ave. to Fairmount Park) is reliably Republican. Santourm and Fisher carried these areas in 2000. You could actually carve a nice Republican legislative district out of Roxborough, East Falls, and Chestnut Hill. Unfortunately, they are split up among 3 or 4 Democrat dominated districts.


105 posted on 08/02/2004 9:08:02 PM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: oceanview
But Kerry is going to do nothing economically for them on these issues - unless they want to be on public assistance. true, they may vote for him because he is the "other guy", but not because he has any affirmative message on this.

I know we may know this, but unfortunatly many people don't, or won't, know any better. That's the weakness President Bush must overcome. I feel that President Bush will win, I give him an 80% change, or if you're into Vegas odds, 4 to 1 in favor, but I'm accounting for this factor along with a few unknowns tossed in. I take after Mom's side and registered Republican but no matter what, I've come across this problem with many of my fellow Pittburghers.
106 posted on 08/02/2004 9:11:40 PM PDT by Nowhere Man ("Laws are the spider webs through which the big bugs fly past and the little ones get caught.")
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To: neutrino
I suggest that you act like a conservative, not a U.N. globalist that seeks to destroy the U.S.

Be sure to give that photo of Eugene Debs taped to your monitor a kiss for me before you go beddie-by tonight.

107 posted on 08/02/2004 9:12:43 PM PDT by Barlowmaker
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To: Willie Green

It's funny how people (like Willie Green??) see only doom and gloom in a Bush economy where the unemployment is 5.6 percent and falling.

Yet, back in the mid-1990s, with exactly the same unemployment rate of 5.6 percent, many were raving about the great economy. So much so that people refused to rock the boat by giving the boot to Clinton.

Perceptions are a funny thing. I live in Southeast Pennsylvania and I find the economy to be execptionally strong, almost to the point it is over-amping.


108 posted on 08/02/2004 9:22:07 PM PDT by Edit35
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To: Hermann the Cherusker

No kidding? They were all welfare hacks last I was there.

Thanks for the update.


109 posted on 08/02/2004 9:23:10 PM PDT by annyokie (Now with 20% More Infidel!)
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To: MojoWire

It all depends on where you are, and what industry. Some places are really hurting. I guess that's how it's been forever.


110 posted on 08/02/2004 9:23:25 PM PDT by Kornev
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To: annyokie

You are thinking of the couple of apartment complexes now filling with Section 8 and the like. The surrounding homeowners out vote them.


111 posted on 08/02/2004 9:27:55 PM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: lightman

btt


112 posted on 08/02/2004 9:28:55 PM PDT by Ciexyz ("FR, best viewed with a budgie on hand")
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To: neutrino
"UN Globalist". Now you're being really ridiculous.

I have no great love for Chinese products or the government factories that produce them. Consider, however, that there are a few of you on FR who are out there practicing knee-jerk protectionism, and making it sound as though trade is a bad thing in general. You should aim your shots precisely rather than attacking all offshore activities with a broad brush. Otherwise, your generalizations and exaggerations will be little different those used by the liberal bloggers and propogandists like Michael Moore.

Think about it.

The Democrats approach to business: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it."---Ronald Reagan

If it faces competition, make broad generalizations and whine.---Free Traitor Posters on FR

113 posted on 08/02/2004 9:34:35 PM PDT by Huber (Kerry/Edwards = "Tax 'em & Sue 'em" . Vote Bush/Cheney '04)
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To: annyokie
annyokie writes:
My husband, from Wellsboro, NE butt of the Poconos, joined the Army and got the hell out 40 years ago. It takes effort to find a better life.

Hmmmm.... "butt of the Poconos"? Wellsboro isn't even _in_ the Poconos. It's up in the Rt. 6 corridor, running along the mid-top of the state.

Having said that, being from southwestern Connecticut (just above "The Gold Coast"), I think rural Pennsylvania offers a welcome change for someone looking to get away from "liberal suburbia". Indeed, Wellsboro is one of the towns to which I'm considering retiring, when that time comes in a few more years.

I've been to Lewistown, too, as I have a friend in Beaver Springs, not that far away. Indeed, I rented a small apartment in Montgomery, a few miles north, back in 1987, but didn't stay (was trying to relocate to another part of the railroad, actually glad I didn't do it, because I'd be working for the Nazi Subdivision [NS] if I had). I don't see why others call the place a dump... just another small Pennsylvania town. Go about 10 miles west up Rt. 45 to Mifflinburg, and it's like something out of a picture book: beautiful old-time town.

Compared to suburban Connecticut -- overcrowded, cultured, fabublously wealthy, and fabulously EXPENSIVE -- to me, the small towns of rural Pennsylvania _are_ "the better life" I'm seeking in retirement. A much more conservative "attitude", as well. And... since the folks there don't have lots of cash to be throwing around, I doubt you'll see many illegal Mexicans mowing lawns, or doing much of anything else. Nothing for them to do there. Conversely, here in my Connecticut city, there are numerous "illegal immigrant hotels" - houses with 30 people in them and a dozen cars parked outside - within a few doors of my home in this not-so-long-ago-nice neighborhood.

I'm sensing that there are many other boomer-age folks who feel as I do: that, when the time comes, they're going to entertain migrating from "high cost" areas into "lower cost" ones. All these currently-depressed small towns, are going to find new roles: as havens for those who are sick of progressive society, and are fleeing towards places where they can recapture the spirit of times past, such as the 50's and early 60's when they were growing up...

Cheers!
- John

114 posted on 08/02/2004 9:42:22 PM PDT by Fishrrman
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To: Alberta's Child
I think you're on the right track. Ford didn't make workers more expensive to fit the price of cars. He made the cars cheaper to fit the wallets of workers. THAT is how workers could buy cars. Exactly the same thing that is going on now.

He didn't raise wages, he offered a bonus. For that bonus he owned your asp. He controlled who you associated with, what you drank, when you went to church, whether you gambled, what you said to your wife, what language you spoke at home. Even at that, the bonuses were eliminated with the depression.

Even with the bonus Americans wouldn't take the jobs. His workforce came from eastern Europe and the deep south. Hank needed workers and the blacks in the south needed work. You could have drawn a line at Mason-Dixon and said that anyone who crosses this line is ILLEGAL and still they would have come. On many lines English was a rarity. He did force his workers to take English classes.

You cannot repeal the laws of economics.

115 posted on 08/02/2004 10:16:50 PM PDT by MARTIAL MONK
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To: Huber
Perhaps one of the reasons it is hard for folks to practice "knee jerk protectionism" is that it's becoming increasingly more difficult to find products made in America. We're finding ourselves in the position of Britain, in which we depend on the outside world to supply our needs. This nearly killed them in World War I but the U.S. saved them by entering the war. Who'll save us?
116 posted on 08/02/2004 10:29:17 PM PDT by asmith92008 (If we buy into the nonsense that we always have to vote for RINOs, we'll just end up taking the horn)
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To: Havoc


The jobs are popping up all around it.. Lock Haven, Williamsport, Lewisburg, State College.


117 posted on 08/03/2004 3:34:15 AM PDT by Josh in PA
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To: asmith92008
Perhaps one of the reasons it is hard for folks to practice "knee jerk protectionism" is that it's becoming increasingly more difficult to find products made in America. We're finding ourselves in the position of Britain, in which we depend on the outside world to supply our needs. This nearly killed them in World War I but the U.S. saved them by entering the war. Who'll save us?

Jesus.

118 posted on 08/03/2004 3:47:39 AM PDT by Huber (Kerry/Edwards = "Tax 'em & Sue 'em" . Vote Bush/Cheney '04)
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To: Josh in PA

Right, I think we heard about those in the article and the discussion. You must be one of those guys who thinks it equity to rob a guy of a diamond and point to where he might find a dirty penny.


119 posted on 08/03/2004 5:10:15 AM PDT by Havoc (.)
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To: Barlowmaker
Be sure to give that photo of Eugene Debs taped to your monitor a kiss for me before you go beddie-by tonight.

No, I don't care to do that. But since you are so fond of the U.N. globalist agenda and free traitin' in general, you should print out a picture of Bill Clinton and worship him. His ideals are a perfect template for free traitors everywhere.

120 posted on 08/03/2004 5:15:53 AM PDT by neutrino (Lord, what fools these mortals be! (William Shakespeare, Midsummer Nights Dream))
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