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1 posted on 08/02/2004 5:12:15 PM PDT by missyme
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I was shocked," he continues. "I was born a Jew and I want to be a Jew and I am not interested in converting away from Judaism. It is horrible when you think you have friends and then you find out that they are actually your enemies."


This remark is pretty sad from this Youth, Palestinians are your enemies not the Christians....


2 posted on 08/02/2004 5:30:48 PM PDT by missyme
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It doesn't make sense that the law exists at all. In a democracy let people have access to information (in this case the New Testament) and let them decide for themselves what to believe. The best defense against the spread of Christianity among Israeli youth would be for the Jewish leaders to actually refute the claims made by Christians. Or maybe their inability to refute the Christian message is reason for the law?


6 posted on 08/02/2004 5:43:31 PM PDT by JeepInMazar
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Where can we send contributions to missionary groups like Jamm?


10 posted on 08/02/2004 5:53:30 PM PDT by Kerfuffle
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In addition to their deceiving self-description, initial methods to entice new congregants usually include putting up posters and websites and going to festivals and public places to distribute pamphlets and books bearing Jewish symbols.

Sounds like my church. We fully embrace the Jewishness of our faith.

I guess I'm a Messianic gentile.

48 posted on 08/02/2004 6:48:47 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (The Fleet Center? Isn't Fleet an enema company?)
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The article seems a bit alarmist but after giving it some thought...No religion has survived for thousands of years with a tolerant attitude toward those who want to convert them and seeing that Israel is the only spot on earth that Jews can call theirs ( well, maybe Hollywood...just kidding ), I can understand the attitude.

I would expect and hope for the same alarmist attitude to prevail in Vatican City under similar circumstances but their alarm would seem unfair and overblown to the well meaning would-be converters.
91 posted on 08/02/2004 7:38:33 PM PDT by Jim_Curtis
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My pastor is on the board of Jews for Jesus. His June 6 sermon on the topic, "Do Jewish People Really Need Jesus?" can be heard here
105 posted on 08/02/2004 7:53:47 PM PDT by Ligeia
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Quite a slant on that article. And I thought the Washington Post was bad...
112 posted on 08/02/2004 8:00:16 PM PDT by patricktschetter
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How the Lubavitchers in Israel Tried to Convert Me, a Witless Goy

Taking a break from visiting my family in Kfar Saba, I took a stroll downtown to fetch a Jeruslaem Post. Hiking up the hill (everything is a hill in Israel, it's amazing there is soccer at all), I came upon two tables, setting on the sidewalk in a way yhat blocked all pedestrian traffic. A couple of bearded, burly unemployed linebackers in flowing tzitzit fixed their eyes on me and rushed me, demanding something unintelligible from me. I thought they wanted money, but then one of them started gesticulating, running his finger round and round his most impressive forearm. He was definitely not smiling. His partner yelled something at me in Hebrew. I caught the word "tefilin."

I said "No thank you" in English.

Mr. Forearms badgered me some more in Hebrew and then, as if he had been struck out of the blue, cocked his head and asked, "Are you Jewish?"

"No, I'm not," I replied.

Without a word he turned on his heel, headed straight for a bent-over elderly man and began his spiel again. Making my escape, I deftly I stepped around the table and out onto Wiezmann Street where a Toyota blasted me with his horn, and almost made a hood ornament out of me.

130 posted on 08/02/2004 8:54:50 PM PDT by cookcounty ("NIXON sent me to Vietnam!!!" --JfK, lying about his 1968 arrival in-country UNDER PRESIDENT LBJ.)
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trapping Jewish teens in its messianic web

I stopped reading at this point.

136 posted on 08/03/2004 6:02:49 AM PDT by Prov1322 (Enjoy my wife's incredible artwork at www.watercolorARTwork.com! (This space no longer for rent))
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I never realized Israel had such horrible laws.


139 posted on 08/03/2004 6:21:05 AM PDT by Sloth (John Kerry: Frank Burns with Charles Winchester's pedigree.)
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I am a Christian and a big supporter of Israel. But I have to say I am dismayed by this article, and the attempt of some to use government force to quash evangelism.

The Jamm (Jerusalem Artists, Musicians and Media) Center has been trapping Jewish teens in its messianic web since it was established in 1998.

"Trapping teens in its web", huh? This is journalism?

146 posted on 08/03/2004 8:26:09 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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I read this article and postings with great interest, because I've been "on the receiving end" of this sort of thing twice now...

When I was still in grade school, I went to a private Jewish day school. While all the other kids in the neighborhood got home from school at about 3:00PM, because our school went late, I never got home before 4:30. So, I usually missed out on a lot of the "play time" that the neighborhood kids got to partake in. There was a family down the street who built an add-on to their house with a small, indoor basketball court, air hockey and foosball tables... Pretty much a little youth center. It turns out that he was a minister, and was starting up a youth group. As the only Jewish kid in my neighborhood, I saw all of my friends being invited to go there and play after school and weekends. It was lonely not being invited to play. Well, one day when I got home from school, some friends were there waiting for me and wanted me to come on over. I was really happy to be invited in, and we played for about a week. After that I was told that I could continue to come and play with my friends at the house, but I was told that I would have to study and participate in prayer sessions. I asked them what I was supposed to study, and I told them that I prayed every day at school. They informed me that I needed to accept Jesus as my savior, and if I didn't that I was going to hell. Well, that really didn't sit too well with me, so I never went back.

So, in a way, they "lured me in" using my loneliness as a tool. They made no bones about the fact that they wanted me to convert to Christianity, there was nothing about being a "Messianic Jew." I think that it was wrong to try to proselytize (sp?) a preteen kid, which is exactly what these people were doing. When I mentioned this to my mother, she was furious about it. To put it bluntly, she felt that the minister was trying to usurp her authority over the way I was being raised.

Many years later, I worked at a small company where the owners were "born again" and they had frequent prayer groups at their home (which was where their office was as well). When they would meet for their prayer meetings, I would keep working, out of the way, in the basement. Shortly after my mother died, they made a point to invite me to their prayer meetings, and I politely declined. Soon, they were inviting converted Jews over to their meetings, and made a point to invite me up to meet them, and while I was polite, I made it clear that I really wasn't interested in discussing religion with them: I was only there to work. After a few weeks of this every day, I started getting pretty testy about it, and asked them to leave me alone. They didn't, and I wound up quitting.

I have no problem with people trying to convert adults, but they should leave children alone, and if you ask to be left alone, they should respect that.

Please remember, that while I have no doubt that when you try to bring someone "to The Lord," you're trying to do so from the best intentions, remember that they do not share the same beliefs, and as such, don't necessarily recognize that you're just trying to help them, any more than if a Muslim or Hindu were trying to convert them.

Mark

239 posted on 08/03/2004 11:52:33 AM PDT by MarkL (Dude!!! You're farting fire!!!!)
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This was an interesting article to help me see how some Jews feel about Christian missionary efforts. I certainly understand how Jewish people would get upset when Christian adults are trying to lead Jewish children from their faith. Clearly, that seems wrong.

However, when the transaction is solely between adults, it becomes difficult for the believing Christian to remain silent. We believe that none of us, of any faith, deserve heaven, and we are all doomed to hell unless we ask Jesus to save us. I typically do not share my religious views with Jews, unless they bring up the subject. However, I often feel guilty when I don't speak. I'm Christan today only because someone took the risk of sharing the gospel with me. She knew it could cost our relationship, but she took that chance because of her incredible love for me. We sincerely believe that not sharing the gospel is like refusing to throw a lifeline to someone who's drowning.

Obviously, many Jewish people would feel offended to hear that we think they can't get to heaven without accepting Jesus. Yet, we think nobody, of any faith, can get to heaven without Jesus. Jesus sets forth a practically unreachable standard of good behavior when he says "Be ye perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect." None of us are perfect enough for the Kingdom of God, which is why Jesus needed to sacrifice himself, to pay the penalty for our sins. He was the perfect unblemished Lamb of God- our sin atonement. In our view, if you reject the Lamb, you also reject the atonement.

Still, to avoid offense, most Christians never share the gospel with Jews. When they do, they do it out of love. We're certainly not doing it to destroy anyone's heritage. We typically only bring up the issue of salvation when we can't bear the idea of a loved one dying without Christ.
297 posted on 08/03/2004 1:48:00 PM PDT by keats5
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then you find out that they are actually your enemies."

If Jews and Muslems numbers were reversed, would Jews be the Religion of Peace and the poor Muslims be the downtrodden friends of the USA ?

460 posted on 08/04/2004 6:36:32 AM PDT by BSunday
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"They rarely enforce the laws pertaining to missionary crimes," says Sheftel,

And they shouldn't start -- unless they want to emulate the Saudis, Iranians, Syrians and the authoritarian Muslim world in general.

591 posted on 08/05/2004 1:56:12 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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Can you imagine if some Muslims opened a "youth club" in your neighborhood, but kept their religion a secret for the first few months(!) that teens attended their club, and then tried to convert them? Wouldn't you be mad as heck?


657 posted on 08/05/2004 8:18:13 PM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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