Posted on 08/02/2004 5:12:15 PM PDT by missyme
You just said that God had made a promise to Jews that he has not made to Gentiles. So, therefore, the rules for attaining salvation are different for those two groups.
Right?
According to your definition, most Christians must not be "true Christians", then.
Your the one who is getting mad, I am not calling people liars and arrogant maybe I just have more PEACE and PATIENCE than some.
I said Safisoft gave an intelligent biblical answer why
N-oachide laws were non-exsistent, you didn't neither did
the folks you mentioned.
And since I will talk to for myself not as a group as many people do in this thread, if I was not commanded by GOD to love my neighbor, give to the poor or not associate with people I did not care for or forgive, "I will be brutally honest I wouldn't give a dam about anyone else unless it was a friend or family member.
If I didn't have the spirit of GOD in my life and the love and forgiveness of Jesus when I heard anything about Israel and the on-going conflicts they have with the ARAB world I wouldn't give a rat's as---s like the French and most of Europe is doing but I do because of knowing and loving GOD something for you to think about.. Do you really want to see a GODLESS NATION?
"It is hard for you to kick against the goads."
Yes Malkhi I do, and as I said many times over and over on this thread, if we only had Judiasm and N-oachide laws how in the world would people of continued to exsisted? do you have this answer?
I don't hate anyone. Christianity does not equal prostletyzing, as many here have amply posted in detail. Neither the Catholic nor Orthodox churches prostletyze towards Jews. Neither do most Protestant denominations. Therefore, I do not accept your charges of hatred. The disclaimers are real.
You, OTOH, have demonstrated that you feel that converting Jews is necessary, and yes, that makes you my enemy, as I believe preserving Jewish culture, religion, and identity to be part of what being Jewish and being a Zionist is all about.
Then I guess you are a pretty crappy person then.
Do you really want to see a GODLESS NATION?
Who said anything about a G-dless nation? Your definition of a G-dless nation is a non-Chritian nation. Israel and Jewish people have done just fine for themselves without being Christian.
What is it about Jews defending Judaism that so discomfits some people?
Obviously, since that didn't happen, no one can claim to have an answer to this question beyond sheer speculation.
NO he did not...That is what where were at right now.....
You could say gentiles would have the same fate as all the people that did not choose to get on NOAH's Ark...
Or maybe GOD set a differnt standards for Homosexuals today than what he did to them at Soddom and Gommorah?
Your the one who says GOD is changing his mind through-out history
I guess they think we should just bend over and take it, because they are trying to help us.
What sort of "love" is it, if it so easily turns to anger when it is unrequited?
That isn't what I said at all and YOU KNOW IT! What I said was that the Arab is honest in his emnity and is easier to fight. You know why you don't read about suicide bombings in Israel any more? You know why there haven't been any since the Ashdod port bombing? Very simple; with fences and with soldiers we can prevent Hamas from doing harm to my children.
How do I prevent YOU from doing harm to my children? Oh, and yes, converting them is doing harm. You won't honestly tell the folks at the airport that you are coming to prostletyze if you enter Israel, will you? Of course not, because we wouldn't let you in.
What I said was you are a more insidious enemy, and one who is harder to fight, not that I preferred Hamas to have any success at all in harming Jews or anyone else. I don't even want them to harm you. As hard as it may be for you to believe, I don't wish anyone harm. As Bella_bru already pointed out to you, Judaism's attitude toward all other religions is live and let live. It is only when you start attacking us, whether physically, as in the case of Hamas, or spiritually, as in your case, that we react strongly.
Amazing the whole Middle East isn't an ash pit already.
As I understand Revelation, that is the fundamentalist Christian view of our post-Armageddon future. As I have already posted, that is a future I want no part of. Sice I do not believe in Christian scripture I believe firmly that can be avoided and we can build a good and Jewish home that is secure here in Israel.
That's what I want to know. There is so much love about supporting Israel, until they get pissy when we fight to save our religion and our culture. It's not love, it's spoiled 4 year olds.
I want to close with you on a very honest note.
You are one sick puppy!
If my rejection of your love causes you to wish -- even for a moment -- that I drop dead, get sick with cancer and die, or be left alone to fight with Arabs who hate me, then you have more problems than you acknowledge.
You think that you are preaching love, but I think that you are sublimating your hatred and anger (I am not a doctor, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night).
You will think that this is sarcastic or mean, but I mean it honestly and sincerely: you should seek professional help.
Then I guess you are a pretty crappy person then.
People are crappy without GOD...Even the Madame of Atheism Madeline O'Hara I cannot think if that is the correct name
was fooled by thinking her friends that did not have GOD in her life would value her, but they killed her and her family.
Wihtout the help of the good Old USA Israel would not be able to defend herself. The temple wss destroyed because no one came to the defense of Israel that is why we have a PAGAN Cult called (ISLAM) Ala -Mosque where the Temple Mount should be....
GODLESS EUROPE could give a dam about Israel and it's going to get worse.
The only help is going to come from the USA..
Nothing wrong in that at all. What was wrong was doing it under false pretenses and without respect for the religious views of the targeted youths and their families.
When I was still in grade school, I went to a private Jewish day school. While all the other kids in the neighborhood got home from school at about 3:00PM, because our school went late, I never got home before 4:30. So, I usually missed out on a lot of the "play time" that the neighborhood kids got to partake in. There was a family down the street who built an add-on to their house with a small, indoor basketball court, air hockey and foosball tables... Pretty much a little youth center. It turns out that he was a minister, and was starting up a youth group. As the only Jewish kid in my neighborhood, I saw all of my friends being invited to go there and play after school and weekends. It was lonely not being invited to play. Well, one day when I got home from school, some friends were there waiting for me and wanted me to come on over. I was really happy to be invited in, and we played for about a week. After that I was told that I could continue to come and play with my friends at the house, but I was told that I would have to study and participate in prayer sessions. I asked them what I was supposed to study, and I told them that I prayed every day at school. They informed me that I needed to accept Jesus as my savior, and if I didn't that I was going to hell. Well, that really didn't sit too well with me, so I never went back.
So, in a way, they "lured me in" using my loneliness as a tool. They made no bones about the fact that they wanted me to convert to Christianity, there was nothing about being a "Messianic Jew." I think that it was wrong to try to proselytize (sp?) a preteen kid, which is exactly what these people were doing. When I mentioned this to my mother, she was furious about it. To put it bluntly, she felt that the minister was trying to usurp her authority over the way I was being raised.
Many years later, I worked at a small company where the owners were "born again" and they had frequent prayer groups at their home (which was where their office was as well). When they would meet for their prayer meetings, I would keep working, out of the way, in the basement. Shortly after my mother died, they made a point to invite me to their prayer meetings, and I politely declined. Soon, they were inviting converted Jews over to their meetings, and made a point to invite me up to meet them, and while I was polite, I made it clear that I really wasn't interested in discussing religion with them: I was only there to work. After a few weeks of this every day, I started getting pretty testy about it, and asked them to leave me alone. They didn't, and I wound up quitting.
I have no problem with people trying to convert adults, but they should leave children alone, and if you ask to be left alone, they should respect that.
Please remember, that while I have no doubt that when you try to bring someone "to The Lord," you're trying to do so from the best intentions, remember that they do not share the same beliefs, and as such, don't necessarily recognize that you're just trying to help them, any more than if a Muslim or Hindu were trying to convert them.
Mark
Yes, spoiled four year olds is a very good way to put it. Oh, and yes, some of these folks need professional help.
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