And we've all seen our share of "childish" behavior on this forum.
Hi Doc!
Jump on and lets go for a ride.
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BigMack
Posted on 08/02/2004 5:12:15 PM PDT by missyme
I'm thinking a 15 year old's parent(s) ought to know what kind of "coffee houses" he's hanging out in, and if it involves activities or beliefs the parent(s) disapprove of, then make sure the kid doesn't go there. I think these messianic Jewish missionaries are nutty -- much like the "Jews for Jesus" outfit that descends on the NYC subways a couple of times a year. But calling them "enemies" is excessive. Not everyone who wants to convert you to their belief system is an "enemy" -- most are just enthusiastic about their beliefs, and genuinely believe you will be too, if you just learn about them. One can take a pass on their proselytizing efforts without defining them as "enemies".
HIGHLY OFFENSIVE. ??
This makes no sense to me? Jesus Christ is highly offensive?
What is highly offensive? I will ask this question til doomsday, because I do not see one thing Jesus Christ did in 33 years that was offensive to anyone? yet we offended him crucified him and many still do 2000 years later and he still forgives???But human beings still say he is the one who is offensive???
If Jesus comes back at the end of days, I'll ask him if this is his second or third time alive on Earth.
If it is his third, Dr. Eckleburg, I'll be the first to tell you that I was wrong.
In the meantime, we Jews and you Christians have a lot in common. I would prefer to focus on those aspects of our humanity and faith that unite us rather than Jewish observance, on the one hand, and the belief in Jesus as the Messiah, on the other hand, which are the issues that divide us.
Boy are you confused. JESUS came to bring Christianity, since he is the Messiah, The Christ. It was Jesus who said "I am the way, the truth and the life and NO MAN comes to the Father but by me". You may not want it to be that way, but that is the way it is. It was the JEWS, Pharisees and Saduccees..who crucified my Lord.
The Bible predicts there will be Jews converted in last days in large number. Paul and Peter were imprisoned for teaching "The Way", the first name of the Christian Faith.
excellent article
I'm sure that Muslims sincerely want to convert Jews and Christians to their belief system. Certainly, Muhammad first tried to convert the Jews before he hated them.
So did Martin Luther.
The Spanish Inquisition was not against Jews. It was against Jews (and Muslims) who were coerced into accepting Christianity but were believed to be insincere Christians. I think that the Catholic Church at the time of the Spanish Inquisition also sincerely held its convictions.
In fact, throughout the centuries of persecution of Jews, it is only under the Nazis that Jews were not permitted to save themselves by converting to the faith of those who were bothering them.
At a time when the Jewish people is rebuilding, when the memory of the Holocaust is still fresh in the mind of at least the older Jews still alive in this world, it is a display of brazen contempt against the Jews to move to Israel and lure Jews away from their faith while they are trying to do no more than live their own lives in peace.
As far as I am concerned, both Christian missionaries in Israel and the International Solidarity Movement both are trying to destroy the Jewish People. The Christian missionaries do this by causing them to be culturally and religiously alienated from their own people, and the ISM does it by more violent means. No doubt, more Jews have been lost to the Jewish people through the efforts of Christian missionaries.
Judaism is based in the OLD TESTAMENT history of Jesus Ancestors, so therefore the Holidays, Feasts and Holy Days of the Jewish people are practiced by many Christians. Christians are also descendents of Seth, son of Adam and Eve, and sons of God by adoption (gentiles).
The gospel is to be preached to all nations until the return of Jesus, that was his instruction. When the UN, and Nations stop that and draw their armies up against Israel, you had better run cause JESUS is on the way!!! That's a given Biblical Prophecy.
Your point is moot, Jesus is the Gospel, the truth and it has to be shared or it isn't christianity.
"With open mike nights on Wednesdays and Punk concerts on Thursdays, including free coffee, chai tea and snacks, the non-smoking, alcohol-free Jamm provides a clean and tempting atmosphere for Jerusalem youth."
In one of the organization's pamphlets, The Jamm describes itself as "the first and only Israeli Messianic Youth ministry center of its kind in Israel," the main goal of which is "to serve as a safe place for young people to find out about the mercies of the true and living God."
"They gave me workbooks and the New Testament and said that Jesus gave his life for us and we need to give our lives to Him."
That doesn't sound like they lured him in. Sounds like they had a coffee-house that people knew was "messianic" (from the phamplet). Not sure if free tea and coffee is considered "luring".
Typical Christian outreach is to get to know people based on similar interests, etc. I was at a meeting on Evangilism and this pastor said they have had great success with motorcyles. They had a big motorcyle show in the church lot on a Saturday, and a group asked if they could show up in their "leathers" for Sunday service, and then on to a cruise afterwards. The pastor said sure. Dozens showed up that day, and now 100's show up each Sunday.
It all started when the Pastor spoke to a husband of one of his parishinors. The husband didn't like churches 'cuz some church awhile back kicked him out of the worship service because he had on his motorcyle leathers.
Well if people would of obeyed the Noachide laws or Ten Commandments believe me there would of been no need for Jesus to come to earth...
Your have a narrow vision of the earth and the people in it.
You need to look what will bring PEACE to earth my dear
it's not any paticular faith it is the Gospel message of Jesus Christ that will bring PEACE as it is in many countries now without Jesus you will see the growth of a GODLESS NATION which is happening in Europe right now...
Noachide Laws aren't converting Africans, Asians, Koreans, Muslims only Jesus is why? beacuse of the Holy Spirit Jesus grants to anyone who accepts his message of eternal salvation by asking for the forgiveness of there sins.
Even Saddam Hussein has a chance of redemption if he sincerely accpets Jesus Christ as his saviour and ask's for forgiveness before it's to late....
Thanks. I'll put it in my tickler file. In the meantime, mind your own business and leave us alone.
You're absolutely right, safisoft. Christianity became a new religion.
All of the obfuscation of "it's not any paticular faith it is the Gospel message of Jesus Christ that will bring PEACE" is mumbo jumbo, because Christianity is a faith, just as Judaism is. It is either naive or deliberately misleading to say otherwise.
Frank Zappa once said: You can't convince someone of anything that they didn't already believe. What would I do if someone tried to "trick" my child into becoming a Hindu? Nothing. I will teach my children what I believe. If they agree, great. But they have to and will live their own lives, regardless of how I feel about it. I thought I was a liberal for 25 years, and bought into it ALL. When I did my own investigation and study into what the left REALLY is, I rejected it. Of course I would be very disappointed if my child rejected my faith, but I would never hate my child, or have him arrested for believing something I don't. There seems to be an absolute hatred among Jews toward Christians, that I just don't see vice versa. I have Jewish relatives even though my family is Catholic. They are completely and totally accepted, loved members of the family, nothing less.
Agreed!
It is the Christians who will fight to the death to support Israel because it is what GOD commands. If the people let the UN run the show or a One World Government they will have much to worry about....
Messianic Judiasm is fast growing, they have embraced there Messiah and feel the love of GOD and they are doing good things, and maybe one day Un-believers will see the Joy millions of people have of all denominations, ethnic backgrounds Jew and Gentile alike have when Jesus is a central part of there exsistence on this troubled planet...
Boop, I think you're completely wrong. I don't think that there is hatred of Christians among Jews -- at least not among observent (or even spiritual) Jews.
There is distrust and, at times, hatred of Christians who missionize among Jews, who won't let Jews live in peace as Jews, to be a free people in their land (as Hatikvah so beautifully puts it), but who continue to tear Jewish children away from their culture and their faith.
Fortunately, the subset of Christians who go after the Jews like that is a very small group, and in my opinion its existence shouldn't poison the relationship between Jews and Christians who share a mutual respect for one-another.
Do you know how many religions accept Jesus Christ,
Catholics, lutherans, Mormons, Messianic Jews, Nazarenes
Jews for Jesus,Baptists, Protestants, Jehovah Witness, Christian Scientist, Methodists,Episcopalians Church of Christ.
So tell me do you know what everyone of these denominations teach about Jesus Christ? is it the same Message the Jewish Apostles had spread to the Gentile Pagan world..Do you even know?????
And we've all seen our share of "childish" behavior on this forum.
Hi Doc!
Jump on and lets go for a ride.
BigMack
Thanks, anyway, Missyme, but I am not an anthropologist. There's so much to learn in Judaism that I don't have the time or, franky, the interest to learn about the doctrines of the myriad of Christian faiths that you mention.
The won't leave the Jews alone as they won't leave anyone alone who does not know the message of Jesus Christ WHY?
Because Jesus commanded to go and spread the GOSPEL to ALL Nations after his resurrection.
He did not say preach only to Gentiles he said EVERYONE and that includes the JEWS...
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