Posted on 08/02/2004 5:12:15 PM PDT by missyme
I have relatives who are Jews, relatives who are Messianic Jews, and relatives who are Gentile Christians, so I keep track of this stuff. The charge is made that the Messianics "induce" or "trick" people. I don't believe this is accurate. They are very upfront about who they are: Jewish people who take their Jewish heritage extremely seriously, but who also are convinced that Jesus is the Messiah. In Israel they take very rigorous steps, insisting that kids without parental permission slips be kept out.
The Messianics may be wrong, but they are very clear about who they are.
Lots of cyclones and ligntning that goes ZOT. I think mom is still around but she seems to be keepin a low profile too...
If you made any attempt to convert my underaged child from my religion to any other religion behind my back and without my express permission, I would not only be highly offended, I would initiate legal action against you to stop it, if need be. It is not Jesus that would be offensive in such a case, but rather the person attempting the conversion.
Wow. I had no idea Martin Luther was so evil. Thanks for posting that.
Thank you. You, too.
So do you ever see a day coming that will bring Jews and Christians together that will confront the issue about Jesus and his intent to bring Jew and Gentile alike a understanding of who he is and how he was to bring all mankind reconciliation with GOD through his death and resurrection?
So are you offended that the school system is teaching that homosexuality is a acceptable alternative lifestyle?
I have no intention of subjecting my children to a public school system.
Nice attempt at playing a logic trick, though. Schools aren't religions, even if some of their methods of brainwashing are similar.
Taking a break from visiting my family in Kfar Saba, I took a stroll downtown to fetch a Jeruslaem Post. Hiking up the hill (everything is a hill in Israel, it's amazing there is soccer at all), I came upon two tables, setting on the sidewalk in a way yhat blocked all pedestrian traffic. A couple of bearded, burly unemployed linebackers in flowing tzitzit fixed their eyes on me and rushed me, demanding something unintelligible from me. I thought they wanted money, but then one of them started gesticulating, running his finger round and round his most impressive forearm. He was definitely not smiling. His partner yelled something at me in Hebrew. I caught the word "tefilin."
I said "No thank you" in English.
Mr. Forearms badgered me some more in Hebrew and then, as if he had been struck out of the blue, cocked his head and asked, "Are you Jewish?"
"No, I'm not," I replied.
Without a word he turned on his heel, headed straight for a bent-over elderly man and began his spiel again. Making my escape, I deftly I stepped around the table and out onto Wiezmann Street where a Toyota blasted me with his horn, and almost made a hood ornament out of me.
".....the non-smoking, alcohol-free Jamm provides a clean and tempting atmosphere...."
Boy, you can't make this stuff up!
How come Yad L'Achim doesn't try that?
First they were not trying to covert this youth to another religion, they were however sharing there faith about who Jesus Christ is, learning about something good, now if they were sharing material about Satanic Cults I would have a problem with that...
What if my faith depended on my bringing you into my faith? "How many times would you answer the phone when I called, or answer the door when I knocked, or stay at the lunch table when I sat down?"
I wouldn't like it, but I wouldn't advocate outlawing Jewish evangelism. I truly do understand that it would be irritating.
"You may think that we are ripe fruit available for your taking, but Jews have been around for thousands of years and, G-d willing, will be around through the end of history."
There will be, absolutely, God willing.
Hey Piranha: I am sorry if I offended you. It is better to agree to disagree. I am not a person who seeks out Jews for conversion. But if I do have the chance to turn someone to Christ, I will, regardless of their ethnicity or religion. I can't exclude one group of people from hearing the Gospel. I also can't have one standard for one people, and another for all others.
Truly I apologize for my forthrightness if it offended you, no disrespect was intended, however I will keep telling the truth as I see it. I believe when you tell the truth, you are respecting the other person. What comes out of my mouth is what is in my heart. How you take doesn't mean my motives were bad. I don't censor, and I believe honesty is the best policy.
God Bless you and I will leave this hot potato alone now!
Amen. We can conclude from this that Pirana is a well-named troll trying to stir up trouble.
PS... support your Christian missionaries in the Middle East!
I stopped reading at this point.
I am not offended by you personally. I am offended by people who think that their religion is better than mine, and therefore think that they have to "save" Jews by wresting them from their family, friends and faith.
Unfortunately, by missionizing among the Jews you miss an opportunity to really get to know us, since the only Jews you meet either will have their guard up or will be ignorant of their own faith and so susceptible to your proselytizing.
You won't win, but I regret that we Jews have to expend any time and energy at all against your interference in our lives.
Can't we all just get along? No, as long as you are working to deny us our heritage and our faith.
Troll!?
Yeah, maybe I should go back to DU where I belong. After all, I am so like them, right?
I never realized Israel had such horrible laws.
Your attempts (those who try to convert us) is highly offensive. Jesus is not offensive, just as totally unimportant to Jews as Mohammed or Budha.
The Palestinians, at least, tell me to my face they wish to kill me. You, OTOH, tell me how you love me then try to strip me of my religion, my faith, my culture, everything that makes me a Jew. If that is the price of Christian support of Israel then please go support the Arab. I would prefer to die a Jew than surrender who and what I am.
I have always been terribly distrustful of fundamentalist Chirstian support for Israel. Why? I've read Revelation. 2/3 of the Jews wiped out, the rest converted. Sorry, that is the end of us every bit as much as being conquered by the Arabs. That is not a future I want. Since I don't believe it to be scripture in any way, shape, or form, that is one I can fight.
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