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To: Havoc
What do you take exception to with Hovind.

I object to Hovind's claim of a degree that he didn't earn for the same reason that I object to Laura Callahan doing the same thing. They're essentially identical twins, ethically and intellectually.

638 posted on 08/05/2004 8:25:44 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Doctor Stochastic

Ah, I see. I went out and chased down the claim sheets and see that the guy does have a PhD from an unaccredited university. Which essentially means he did the work for a PhD; but, since it was done at a Christian school he doesn't get the credit for the work. Sorry, I have no degree in computer sciences and could dance rings around guys who do; but, if I get a degree from an unaccredited school, you would pick knits with me for putting a degree behind my name rather than give me credit for what I know...

Not much different than looking down your nose at someone that is self educated because they didn't spend thousands to get a degree and rather spent less and learnt it themselves - like the researchers of old... Sorry, I don't particularly know Hovind, nor can I say that his use of his degree which he apparently worked for is of any great concern. If he did the work, the credentials are earned. And where they came from is of little import to me as long as the man can teach - that is his degree...

I have listened now to his lectures clear through. Whatever you might want to argue with about what you think of his credentials, he is an effective lecturer and speaks as a teacher. Beyond that, he seems to have a grasp of much of what he talks about in theory. So, I would be more interested in hearing what is wrong with what he is saying than what you dislike about him. Cause what you're saying seems to add up to much ado about nothing. It is not much disassociated from the debate tactic of discrediting a guy based on slurs and character attacks rather than dealing with what he says. And that is more dishonest than anything I think you try to accuse him of IMO.


639 posted on 08/06/2004 5:23:22 AM PDT by Havoc (.)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Havoc writes:

Ah, I see. I went out and chased down the claim sheets and see that the guy does have a PhD from an unaccredited university. Which essentially means he did the work for a PhD; but, since it was done at a Christian school he doesn't get the credit for the work...

Many Christian schools are accredited in the US. Christian schools are not excluded from applying for accreditation. It's a schools option - but don't be surprised if people question the bona fides of someone who has a degree from one a higher ed institutions that is unaccredited. Accedication teams make sure that a PhD program meets standards for work accomplished, etc. The PhD could be for basketweaving or military history, but it will still have to meet the same standards for credit hours of work required, etc., etc., etc.

641 posted on 08/06/2004 6:07:55 AM PDT by Fury
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