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To: Dimensio

I didn't say that. I would say that I reject as factual anything that is supposition. Remember the childhood story of the three little pigs? Highly relevant even if geared toward children. Christianity teaches the same principle but through a parable about sowing seed and one about foundations. Higher math (analytical Geometry, trig, Calc), Physics, Computer programming and basic chemistry all taught me the need for solid data and precision along with the consequence of not having it. It amazes me the cavalier attitude toward the worth of data that I hear expressed here. It is as though the notion of absolutes is wasted on you and the idea of precision is lost.

It is not to say that I don't trust any data science puts out because I do trust aircraft. Been in them all my life.
I trust our technology in general. And I try to keep an awareness of the shortcomings and dangers of them. But, to say I have great confidence in something when a group hands me supposition and calls it fact... Not with my training.
Especially not where something as controversial and full of holes as evolution is concerned. Not on your life would I recognize any of that bloat as fact until proven beyond a doubt.

It's like taking the word of a known liar when you're dealing with controversy. You pick it to death before putting any faith in it. And thus far, my picking has only led me to have confidence in my instinct toward reluctance.
The field has inspired a great deal of useful work and data; but, it has generated just as much that I would readily dismiss on the basis of it's trustworthiness alone. Chiefly - dating methodology. I don't believe that bad information is better than none at all when dealing with some things. History is one of them.

If you can't garauntee your dates any better than the 300 year difference in the israeli and egyptian timelines produced because of carbon and strata dating.. The impact to history has been immense. It is the difference between finding or not finding King Saul in history. Properly attributing Jericho from scripture, the correct gates built by Solomon, and on the other side, establishing an accurate timeline for egypt, a correct line of rule, propper attribution for conquests, etc.. on down the line. Screwing it up just a tiny bit left a 300 year gap that practically disowns Israel from history. An entire people. IMO, that could have been intentional. I will prefer to say it was as much method at the very least. And that's an aweful big gaff to be cavalier about. If you can't be anymore accurate in the near term with the equipment, it would be disturbingly worse and far less reliable on the longer term. So, I'd dump the dating techniques till you guys can get your acts together and present something people can have absolute confidence in without reservation. I don't see that day coming; but, I'd rather have no precise dates than see people screw things up as bad as the example I've given.


594 posted on 08/05/2004 1:06:53 PM PDT by Havoc (.)
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To: Havoc
If you can't garauntee your dates any better than the 300 year difference in the israeli and egyptian timelines produced because of carbon and strata dating..

The greek and roman engineers couldn't guarantee a tunnel dug into both sides of a good-sized mountain at once (a common practice to speed things up) would meet anywhere close to the middle. Do you think they were therefore wasting their time trying to triangulate as close as possible to aiming the tunnels at each other? Even very imprecise measures have their uses. This example, more than once, saved cities under siege from surrendering. Science accepts provisional answers and so does engineering. How many pieces of large, totally bug-free software did you ever ship?

599 posted on 08/05/2004 1:38:53 PM PDT by donh
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