I gave up on Havoc when he used the words "tin foil" to my e=0 post. I then provided links which he never addressed.
Before very long, everyone will have a tale to tell beginning with that phrase. I, however, being true to my position as enemy number one with the DesignedUniverse gang, can proudly say that I had given up on him by the time I pinged you guys to this thread.
You stopped trying to defend your ground after postulating the energy of the universe =0 in the midst of a discussion that was starting to head off in directions having nothing to do with evolution. Just as I whacked off the debate on global floods.. I'm not arguing multiple topics on the same thread.
This is a debate tactic I've encountered with people from other religions - intentionally proliferating topics and heading off in all directions till the subject they were getting creamed on was forgotten. I tend to call it staying focused. And yeah, I think the whole evolution theory needs several rolls of foil.