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To: Junior
Don't be dense. Regardless of what a critter's ancestors or its descendents look like, it is "fully developed" for its particular ecological niche at its particular time. All organisms, lest they go extinct, are "transitionals" because the demands of the environment change.

Adaptation is not evolution. That's first and foremost. And there are two things happening here - one is the request to fulfill an expectation you can't fulfill. And two is your attempt to fulfill that expectation with something not asked for and get everyone to believe that you've done what was asked. A fully developed animal is a fully developed animal. It don't matter what it looks like.

I think we all understand language here. A car moving down an assembly line is in transition from incomplete to being complete. But the kind of transition we're talking about here would be the morphing of a camaro into a transam, for instance. And the transition stages would, in this case, only show up in the workshop where it was designed. We would not traditionally expect to find examples of the clay mockups of the car being driven around on the street. They are generally destroyed after the mockup no longer serves a purpose.

You contend as would I, that nature doesn't have a mockup period. I would say God just up and made every creature as our scriptures state. You would say that things transition into new things. Not observable; but, ok. So, we ask you to show the transition. Show the reptile sprouting wings over time. You can't. You want to show us the Transam and say, this is a transition fossil. No, it's a seperate product that in this case really was designed. We're asking you for the animal's "mockups" for the transitional stages that brought it to the "trans am" state. You are aware of this as are the initiators of the evolution arguments. And this is why they have you handing off completed items because in the entire history of fossil finding not one transitional beast has ever been found. Not one.

And no, we aren't going to let you get by with word games on what makes a transitional animal. It has been very well defined and you know precisely what we speak of. You have nothing. So you're trying to sell something else in place of what's been asked for to create the appearance of fullfillment. This would be called fraud. And that is why I call all of you collectively "snake oil salesmen". Though, it would probably save space to just call you Liars.

353 posted on 08/04/2004 5:59:29 AM PDT by Havoc (.)
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To: Havoc
Adaptation is not evolution.

Okay, now I know I'm arguing with a grade schooler. Adaptation is evolution. Mutation, genetic selection, sexual selection, natural selection, whatnot, are mechanisms of evolution.

Learn a little science and get back to me.

420 posted on 08/04/2004 10:15:45 AM PDT by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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