[tob2]

When these undisciplined brats grow up, they become undisciplined adults who create lots and lots of havoc. When confronted with their inappropriate behavior, they complain of being harassed, racism, and/or you being unchristian! Examples: unruly, aggressive drivers on the road and people who can't hear the car radio unless the entire neighborhood does too. I'm sure there are lots of parents out there who need to develop very strong spines and put their foot down to channel a child's natural energy to be well-mannered, decent human beings. It takes the same amount of energy to be good as it is to be bad.

[Quix]

ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

[Starboard]

When these undisciplined brats grow up, they become undisciplined adults who create lots and lots of havoc.

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How true. We've lived in several neighborhoods and have seen the result of kids who were raised by permissive and indulgent parents. Many of their kids became spoiled and self-centered and wanted constant gratification, which of course leads to all kinds of problems when they grow up. Watching their experiences provided great examples of how not to raise children.