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Brats! Why Are So Many Parents Afraid To Say "No?"
LA Times, via Memphis Flyer ^ | July 30, 2004 | Martin Booe

Posted on 08/02/2004 5:49:37 AM PDT by BluegrassScholar

Edited on 08/02/2004 10:43:46 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Carrie is 2 years old, with curly brown hair and Windex-blue eyes. In a still-life portrait, she would be adorable. In three dimensions, she's a cross between a Gerber baby and the Tasmanian devil. Bang. Bang, bang, bang, and bang and bang.

That's the noise of the plastic water cup she is whacking against the ceramic-topped table of a neighborhood coffeehouse whose concrete floors function like an echo chamber. If she had a hammer she would have destroyed the table by now, and I'm pretty sure her parents would've let her. People look up from their lattes, squint at the diminutive figure making the big, ear-splitting noise, and try to continue with their newspapers or conversations. The banging goes on for a good 10 minutes. Normally, I would say something -- I'm not shy about these things -- but I'm curious to know just how long her parents, with whom I'm having coffee, will let this go. The answer: Indefinitely. They don't even seem to notice. Maybe they're just used to it?

On some primal level, Carrie must be offended that she's not the center of attention. There is anger in her banging, along with what I read as malice. As she grows even more restive, her father lowers her to the floor. Still clutching the cup, Carrie crawls through the room, pounding on the concrete floor as she goes along, giving everyone an up-close earful of her drum solo.

A few weeks later, I'm at a party, mostly adults with a few kids sprinkled in, among them the volcanically unruly 5-year-old son of a friend. As I squat down to greet him, he responds by biting me in the arm, leaving teeth marks through a shirt and a sweater. I am just about to spank his little behind when I realize I'm in dangerous territory. People go to jail for that these days.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: brats; childrearing; parenting
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To: Balding_Eagle

AMEN!


141 posted on 08/02/2004 9:01:05 AM PDT by Quix (PRAYER WARRIORS, DO YOUR STUFF! LIVES, SOULS AND NATIONS DEPEND ON IT)
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To: Kenton
This may be mean, but I once told a snotty kid in a restaurant that if he didn't sit down and shut up, I was going to go beat his father up.

I had an incident at a Wal-Mart some time ago. As I was entering a man stood near the door holding his son. The son looked right at me and spit. The guy laughed with the brat and told me some inane thing about boys will be boys.
I asked him to set the kid down. I then punched dad right in the nose. I told the kid he was lucky he wasn’t older.
At the time I had waist length hair and my beard was nearly to my belt. I was carrying my helmet and the Harley was parked in plain sight. My arms are pretty well covered with tattoos. I guess dad had never watched a Grade B Biker movie.
142 posted on 08/02/2004 9:02:56 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Osage Orange

I would have been inclined to have responded:

"You won't tell your kids "No!"???

"I See. Well, I hate to inform you, but you will be telling them NO! At the rate you are going, you will begin to tell them NO when your money for lawyers to keep them out of prison has run out and you have to say, No, I can't, I don't have any more money and mom and I have had to move into government housing."


143 posted on 08/02/2004 9:03:03 AM PDT by Quix (PRAYER WARRIORS, DO YOUR STUFF! LIVES, SOULS AND NATIONS DEPEND ON IT)
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To: Tuscaloosa Goldfinch

We tend to not speak up because

A) we want to avoid making a fuss. We need to keep in mind the acting out child and wimpish parents have ALREADY MADE THE FUSS.

B) the tyranny of evil has contidioned the good to be wimpishly silent.


144 posted on 08/02/2004 9:04:25 AM PDT by Quix (PRAYER WARRIORS, DO YOUR STUFF! LIVES, SOULS AND NATIONS DEPEND ON IT)
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To: mountaineer

Good for you!


145 posted on 08/02/2004 9:05:11 AM PDT by Quix (PRAYER WARRIORS, DO YOUR STUFF! LIVES, SOULS AND NATIONS DEPEND ON IT)
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To: gopheraj

IMPRESSIVE! CONGRATULATIONS.


146 posted on 08/02/2004 9:07:01 AM PDT by Quix (PRAYER WARRIORS, DO YOUR STUFF! LIVES, SOULS AND NATIONS DEPEND ON IT)
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To: AppyPappy

WELL SAID.


147 posted on 08/02/2004 9:08:08 AM PDT by Quix (PRAYER WARRIORS, DO YOUR STUFF! LIVES, SOULS AND NATIONS DEPEND ON IT)
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To: Motherbear
"Please help me find a "natural" consequence to little Johnny's offense." Meanwhile, little Johnny is pulling the cat's tail while Mom is posting for the other offense.

No problem.
Johnny pulls the cat’s tail, the cat scratches Johnny.
Johnny kicks a window the window (except Plexiglas) breaks and Johnny gets cut.
Johnny smacks the old man, the old man smacks him back.
148 posted on 08/02/2004 9:09:40 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: R. Scott
The son looked right at me and spit. The guy laughed with the brat and told me some inane thing about boys will be boys. I asked him to set the kid down. I then punched dad right in the nose. I told the kid he was lucky he wasn’t older.

LOL. A (painful) lesson in consequences.

You did the dad and the kid a favor. Little monsters often end up growing into big monsters. As an adult, he would find that a people he attacks might respond with more than just a tap to the nose.

149 posted on 08/02/2004 9:10:27 AM PDT by Modernman ("I have nothing to declare except my genius." -Oscar Wilde)
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To: Motherbear

AMEN!

NOW! is a great word.


151 posted on 08/02/2004 9:12:10 AM PDT by Quix (PRAYER WARRIORS, DO YOUR STUFF! LIVES, SOULS AND NATIONS DEPEND ON IT)
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To: R. Scott
Johnny pulls the cat’s tail, the cat scratches Johnny.

We own a 20 pound Maine Coon cat. My niece grabbed its tail once. She didn't like the scratch she got, nor the rubbing alcohol that was needed to clean it afterwards. Life is very good at teaching you lessons.

152 posted on 08/02/2004 9:12:46 AM PDT by Modernman ("I have nothing to declare except my genius." -Oscar Wilde)
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To: R. Scott

Luv it!


153 posted on 08/02/2004 9:12:53 AM PDT by I_dmc
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To: vikzilla

I have been known to look kids nearby sternly in the eye and tell them in very stern tones that I didn't like their tone of voice.


154 posted on 08/02/2004 9:14:37 AM PDT by Quix (PRAYER WARRIORS, DO YOUR STUFF! LIVES, SOULS AND NATIONS DEPEND ON IT)
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To: BluegrassScholar
By the time the violin was retrieved, its bridge and neck were damaged.

I do hope the good professor presented the parents with a hefty repair bill for the violin.

155 posted on 08/02/2004 9:14:53 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (May the wings of Liberty never lose so much as a feather.)
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To: silverleaf

Very Good!


156 posted on 08/02/2004 9:16:04 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Motherbear

They’re afraid if they ever say “no” the little brat won’t like them.
Big deal - the parents job is to raise, protect, socialize and teach.


157 posted on 08/02/2004 9:19:26 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: gopheraj

No, your son was CALLED "ADD" in school. If a whack on the head with a ruler "cured" him, he wasn't ADD in the first place.


158 posted on 08/02/2004 9:19:35 AM PDT by Xenalyte (And then I says, "Tell me I'm wrong!" and he says, "I can't, baby, 'cause you're NOT!")
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To: Motherbear; cuz_it_aint_their_money

I'm not sure sending the kids to the car would be a good idea in 98-degree Houston.


159 posted on 08/02/2004 9:22:44 AM PDT by Xenalyte (And then I says, "Tell me I'm wrong!" and he says, "I can't, baby, 'cause you're NOT!")
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To: locochupacabra
I do enjoy these child-rearing threads.

Despair mixed in with self-congratulation.

Hypothetical: Suppose your bright four-year-old had perfect "please/thank you" manners, but next Monday morning made up his mind that he'd never say "thank you" again. And, being bright and determined, persisted beyond all reason, punishment and persuasion?

What works with Son#1 will not work with Son#2--temperment, temperment.

160 posted on 08/02/2004 9:24:19 AM PDT by Mamzelle (for a post-neo conservatism)
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