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Democrats may use assault weapons ban against Bush, GOP
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/special_packages/election2004/9275768.htm ^

Posted on 08/01/2004 7:48:27 AM PDT by Stew Padasso

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To: Stew Padasso

Bush said he would sign the AWB renewal if it got to his desk? Goodness, I'm trembling. After all, a noted gun-hater like Tom DeLay will do everything he can to hustle that bill through the House.

That didn't really need a sarcasm tag, did it?


21 posted on 08/01/2004 9:31:06 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows ('Hey, maybe "Jihadists For Kerry" is what "JFK" really stands for.' --Blood of Tyrants)
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To: rdb3

that's the problem (or a part of it):
our elected reps are almost all career politicians.
very few of them are Statesmen.


22 posted on 08/01/2004 10:53:27 AM PDT by King Prout ("Thou has been found guilty and convicted of malum zambonifactum most foul... REPENT!)
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To: OldFriend
If only Carolyn McCarthy, the self professed devout Catholic, had voted for the ban on partial birth abortion, she might have some credibility.

I'm afraid not even that could render McCarthy credible. I've seen her speak on C-SPAN on a number of occasions; she is truly a testament to the stupidity of the electorate.

23 posted on 08/01/2004 11:14:57 AM PDT by Cloud William (The Second Amendment is the Statute of Liberty! - Col. Jeff Cooper)
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To: Cloud William

I can see how she got elected the first time.....but her continuing success is mindboggling, but typical of the mindlessness of the left. Particularly in NY


24 posted on 08/01/2004 11:16:37 AM PDT by OldFriend (IF IT'S KERRY.....HELL IS ON THE WAY)
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
Should he sign an extension, it will cost Bush the election this time.

Never happen. Not even close to enough willpower among the vast majority of gun owners to NOT vote for him even if he signs a renewal.

And he know it, too, which is why he has said all along that he WILL sign a renewal if it gets to his desk.

25 posted on 08/01/2004 5:58:16 PM PDT by John R. (Bob) Locke
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To: Stew Padasso
I read many articles where Sara Brady and the others in the victim disarmament (vd) crowd claim Bush was elected partially based on a pledge he made during the 2000 election campaign to renew the ban. The only thing I can find is Bush stating during the election "It makes no sense for assault weapons to be around our society", which hardly seems like a pledge or promise. I am sure I am missing something, does anyone have proof that Bush pledged or promised to renew the ban? If there is no evidence, why are we allowing Brady and the others in the vd crowd to continue this lie?
26 posted on 08/02/2004 12:27:00 PM PDT by Mr_Mary_Jo_Kopechne
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To: Stew Padasso
"I've basically seeing even with my own (Democratic) leadership where they want to keep this quiet," McCarthy said in an interview. "They're petrified of the gun issue. Many members on both sides of the aisle are petrified of the gun issue. If this didn't come up, it would be OK with them."

They're afraid. Good. I like my Democrats fearful and cowed. Let's make sure we keep our boots on their throats.

27 posted on 08/02/2004 9:55:10 PM PDT by 10mm
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To: Stew Padasso

I really hope they make an issue of this. I'll bet my last case of ammo the anti's couldn't tell the difference between an AR15 in an assault rifle configuration or a sporting rifle configuration, even if the two were laid side-by-side.


28 posted on 08/02/2004 9:59:31 PM PDT by Nachoman
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To: gilliam
Not an issue this time around.

We are at war

Whoa, not so fast there...

They're trying to MAKE it THE issue -- but very deviously.

And I would NOT be surprised if GWB slips right into the trap, given his... well, let's just say I am braced for disappointment.

The past couple of days the rats have been building to a crescendo, demanding that Bush call Congress in to special session, to implement the stuff he said he'd implement from the recent 9/11 hearings -- the NEW new new anti-terror tsar -- the one to tsar it up over the existing anti-terror tsar (that'd be Tom Ridge, of course), as called for by "the commission".)

The Johns, of course, are lapping it all up. Bush says "I'll do that!" to try to -- once again (argh!) show how compliant Republicans are, and how willing the GOP is to compromise at the drop of a hat.

After all, The Johns said that Bush should do it, so, he's gonna do it. He'll show them, by golly!

But oops, the Johns are laughing their arsen off, and replying, "Too little, too late! He should have done it sooner! We would have, if we had been in office! Har har har etc."

So, they now demand that Bush recall Congress for an emergency session, to get his "too little, too late" Anti-terror-tsar-tsar annointed double-plus-unslow, like NOW, daddy!

Ah, the beauty of their trap. ("Beauty" from their perspective, natch.)

Think about it.

Bushie is in a very poor position to refuse their kind suggestion, given 1) the recent hubbub about terror alerts and so forth, and 2) his sudden call for quickly installing the new new new anti-terror tsar-tsar.

So, I will NOT be surprised if he "decides on his own" (koff koff) to call Congress into special session "to get this ONE task taken care of, NOW NOW NOW!"

So WHAT THE HELL DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH THE AWB, you ask me?

I'm glad you asked.

What it has to do with the AWB is called "everything" -- because if GWB lets them maneuver him into calling a "special session of congress", it will have NOTHING to do with "terror" or a "terror tsar-tsar". Nothing at all.

And, it will have everything to do with renewing the AWB.

IF he calls Congress back into session, you can bet your bottom dollar that an AWB extention amendment will be hastily nailed onto the backside of the NEW NEW anti-terror tsar-tsar annoitment appointment bill.

And Bushie will sign it. Period.

He won't dare NOT sign it.

Look at what he'll be facing if he even thinks of NOT signing it:

1. The humiliation of being taunted for having his FIRST VETO EVER being a veto of the NEW NEW anti-terror tsar-tsar annointment that he so desperately needs that he called a special session of Congress to appoint!

2. The "well-earned" title of "Liar!", after he backs down on his promise to "sign the AWB extention if it comes to my desk."

3. The pressure from all the "conservatives" who are currently whoring themselves on the yakathon shows, saying how even though they "support the second amendment", of COURSE they don't want to see "assault weapons on the street", and "no one NEEDS these to go hunting" blah blah blah. I wish I'd hit the [RECORD] button for the grease-combed Mitt Romney the other day as he waxed nauseant with precisely those (#3) points, as what's his name cornered him on the Hannity show (in Colmbs place).

Nice work, Mittsie. First, you let your blackrobes emasculate your exectutive branch (as they emasculate the concept of "marriage" and "family"), and then next thing ya know, there you are on the tube, eviscerating the Second Amendment.

Golly, where would we be without such stanuch conservatives in office?

But, I digress.

My point is, the AWB renewal is far from dead.

The rats are working HARD on getting it renewed. They are pushing it like mad with every soundbite they can grab, they've got pretty much every "conservative" (with tube-time, at least) agreeing with them on the "NEED" for renewal, and, they're angling for a special session of congress -- and frankly, I think Dubya is just... um, susceptible enough to their wiles to get snookered on it.

Let's hold off on the celebration for just a l'il while yet, OK?

If there's one thing that's worse than losing, it's having your victory celebration interrupted to find out that you lost.

end_rant

29 posted on 08/05/2004 3:53:12 AM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: Nachoman
I'll bet my last case of ammo the anti's couldn't tell the difference between an AR15 in an assault rifle configuration or a sporting rifle configuration, even if the two were laid side-by-side.

Don't be silly.

They'll answer it in the twinkling of an eye.

It'll go something like this:

Those are BOTH assault weapons! And if by some LOOPHOLE, the evil manufacturer has managed to get ONE of them to market, we need to FIX the loophole, NOW!"

30 posted on 08/05/2004 3:55:23 AM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: Don Joe

The anti-gunners need to face facts.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1185394/posts?page=7

Let the AWB sunset.


31 posted on 08/05/2004 4:00:50 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: Stew Padasso
Democrats may use assault weapons ban against Bush, GOP

Republicans may use assault weapons ban against Kerry, DNC

32 posted on 08/05/2004 4:01:31 AM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: Don Joe
...IF he calls Congress back into session, you can bet your bottom dollar that an AWB extention amendment will be hastily nailed onto the backside of the NEW NEW anti-terror tsar-tsar annoitment appointment bill.

And Bushie will sign it. Period.

He won't dare NOT sign it...

That's a pretty good analysis of what the Dems might do at the last minute to renew the AWB. I certainly hope it doesn't happen that way. I believe it would cost George W Bush the election.

Let's hold off on the celebration for just a l'il while yet, OK?

If there's one thing that's worse than losing, it's having your victory celebration interrupted to find out that you lost.

Thanks for pointing out the need to be vigilant right up to where the AWB does indeed finally pass into the sunset.

33 posted on 08/05/2004 4:19:59 AM PDT by Screaming_Gerbil (Let's Roll...)
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To: Jet Jaguar
The anti-gunners need to face facts.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1185394/posts?page=7

Let the AWB sunset.

Oh, I agree, it should -- and plenty of other nonsense should be rolled back too. But, as a former "broken glass Republican", I've got that "elephant never forgets" thing going for me ;)

So, I still remember Bob Dole's sticking it to us, and it helping cost him the election. As I recall, he said his office was getting something like 2000 phone calls a day, the vast majority of which were urging him to vote against the travesty.

He voted for it.

That was the last time I wasted MY time and money calling a legislimer.

I have grown quite cynical in my half-century+ on this ball o' mud.

The way I see it, the RAT party is the party of PUSH, PUSH, PUSH, and the "G"OP is the party of COMPROMISE, COMPROMISE, COMPROMISE.

The thing is, when one side is always pushing, and the other side is always compromising, well... if you adjust the imagery a tad (think "pull" instead of "push") and picture a tug o' war, there's gonna be one side ending up in the mud -- and that WON'T be the side that applies constant pressure. It'll be the side that's constantly compromising.

What we have now are the results of decades of constant compromise.

Frankly, I'm not interested in any politician who promises me MORE compromise.

I want a politician with some GUTS.

I want a politician who will PUSH.

But, I'm screwed.

It seems that the only politicians who will stick to their guns (har har har, funny, eh?), and PUSH, PUSH, PUSH, and refuse to COMPROMISE... the ONLY politicans with the guts -- with the balls to the wall nerve -- are pushing in the wrong direction!

This is very disconcerting!

So, yeah, as your link shows, politicians who stab their constituents in the back end up looking for a new job.

But, that doesn't seem to stop them from stabbing their constituents in the back. Nor does it -- as a rule -- stop their replacements from stabbing us in the back either.

It's very disconcerting!

It's like we keep saying "they're really gonna get taught a lesson on election day if they screw with us" -- so, they screw with us -- and they get taught the lesson on election day -- and then "here comes the new boss, same as the old boss" -- and we get screwed again.

I know that we're looking at something like, what is it, five "legislative days" left in this session, with "no time available for scheduling" this abortion of a bill?

Well, that is no comfort to me.

I know that politicians can move heaven and earth (or, some substitute for heaven, as the case may be;) when they want to get something done on short notice.

Look at the "Patriot Act". THEY didn't!

It got dropped in front of them, the call went out to VOTE -- without reading it -- so, they voted for it.

They spend more time debating what color to paint the new carpet than they spent discussing the Patriot Act.

It's amazing -- and disgusting. And it makes "how sausage is made" into something that looks really appetizing, by way of comparison.

Will the AWB sunset?

Maybe. I certainly HOPE so. And, if it does sunset, I hope it STAYS sunset, and doesn't do a Count Dracula on us come first thing next session.

But frankly, given the history, the thing that gives me the least assurance at this stage is the "only five legislative days left" situation.

These bozos specialize in pulling rabbits out of their hats. Ask any farmer who just planted a cornfield.

(A little agriculture-lagomorph-argh! humor this fine morning...)

34 posted on 08/05/2004 4:44:42 AM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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