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To: Ken H
"Not only was it the plan, it was written in Article I of the Constitution."

Like I said, the plan. The intention, if you will.

"Has that portion been altered or voided by an amendment?"

Nope. It's just not used anymore as we do not have state militias. The states don't appoint officers either, and that's in Article I also.

"There is no Illinois National guard?"

There is now. And the Guard is bought and paid for by the U.S. Government, not the State of Illinois, and are under the President's orders, if he so chooses. Unless they all go AWOL, I wouldn't consider them to be "securing a free Illinois".

"The militia of the United States ..."

Yes, the militia of the United States is so described. This is not the well regulated state militia. Two different animals.

10 USC 311 describes the organization that replaced the well regulated state militia described in The Militia Act of 1792 (an attempt to standardize the independent and individual state militias).

377 posted on 08/01/2004 7:43:34 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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378 posted on 08/01/2004 7:50:12 PM PDT by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson)
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To: robertpaulsen
robertpaulsen said: "10 USC 311 describes the organization that replaced the well regulated state militia described in The Militia Act of 1792 (an attempt to standardize the independent and individual state militias)."

Is it your claim then that the Federal government cannot disarm the individual state militias, but that the federal government can replace them with something which can be disarmed by the federal government? Wouldn't this constitute an illegal attempt to amend the Constitution?

383 posted on 08/01/2004 8:11:31 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: robertpaulsen
I wrote: "There is no Illinois National guard?

There is now. And the Guard is bought and paid for by the U.S. Government, not the State of Illinois, and are under the President's orders, if he so chooses. Unless they all go AWOL, I wouldn't consider them to be "securing a free Illinois".

That is exactly what's described in Article I. Does not Illinois appoint officers and train according to Congress' directives?

I wrote: "The militia of the United States ..."

Yes, the militia of the United States is so described. This is not the well regulated state militia. Two different animals.

State Militia have always been under Federal control, including the power to arm them.

Are you saying there was a time since 1789 when that has not been the case?

384 posted on 08/01/2004 8:13:47 PM PDT by Ken H
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