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Niger Uranium: Still a False Claim (slick Joe is back)
http://www.ceip.org/files/nonprolif/templates/Publications.asp?p=8&PublicationID=1595 ^

Posted on 07/29/2004 1:33:50 PM PDT by texasranger222

Niger Uranium: Still a False Claim Proliferation Brief, Volume 7, Number 12 Thursday, August 28, 2008 Of all the controversies surrounding the non-discovery of WMD in Iraq, none has dominated the news cycle over the past year as much as the Niger uranium hullabaloo-and none has been so misconstrued by experts and pundits alike. A year ago, revelations by Joseph Wilson, a former ambassador sent to Niger to investigate whether Iraq attempted to purchase uranium from Iraq, forced the administration to recant its public statements on the subject. Now, with the Butler inquiry's conclusion that the British intelligence judgment was "well-founded" and the Senate Intelligence Committee's claim that Wilson's report had little impact on officials, some are calling for Wilson to publicly apologize. A little common sense shows that a Niger uranium sale-even if attempted-was always highly improbable and was never a serious threat.

Allegations Abound

In late September, a British white paper judged that "Iraq has . . . sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa, despite having no active civil nuclear power programme that could require it." In December 2002 and January 2003, several administration officials, including Condoleezza Rice and Donald Rumsfeld, repeated the allegation-without citing the British report. In his January State of the Union address, President Bush said the now-infamous sixteen words, "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."

Evidence Deflates

Iraq purchased uranium from Niger, Portugal and Brazil during the early stages of its nuclear program in the 1970s, but by the next decade halted these imports because it became self-sufficient in uranium production. In March 2003, Iraq had an inventory of over 500 tons of natural uranium and almost two tons of low-enriched uranium. This uranium was kept under IAEA seal and checked annually by the nuclear agency-theoretically unavailable to the Iraqi regime for use in a nuclear program.

No unclassified CIA assessment prior to 2002 discussed Iraqi attempts to acquire uranium from Africa, although most noted, "A sufficient source of fissile material remains Iraq's most significant obstacle to being able to produce a nuclear weapon." The now-declassified October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) claimed, however, that Iraq "began vigorously trying to procure uranium ore and yellowcake," reportedly in Niger, Somalia, and the Democratic Republic of the Congo. The NIE said that "foreign government service" reports indicated that in early 2001 Niger and Iraq "reportedly were still working out arrangements for this deal, which could be for up to 500 tons of yellowcake," although the NIE said it could not confirm the reports on possible Iraqi uranium procurement. (The Department of State's intelligence bureau, INR, noted in a separate dissent: "the claims of Iraqi pursuit of natural uranium in Africa are . . . highly dubious.")

The primary evidence for the Niger uranium claim was a series of documents purporting to show a uranium purchase deal with Iraq. On March 7, 2003, IAEA Director-General Mohamed ElBaradei concluded that the documents provided to the IAEA by the United States were unsubstantiated and likely forged. He told the UN Security Council, "Based on thorough analysis, the IAEA has concluded, with the concurrence of outside experts, that these documents, which formed the basis for the reports of recent uranium transaction between Iraq and Niger, are in fact not authentic. We have therefore concluded that these specific allegations are unfounded."

It was not until July 2003, however, that the administration acknowledged the problems with the forged documents-when Joseph Wilson revealed that he had visited Niger at the CIA's request in February 2002 to investigate the alleged uranium sale. Wilson said that he not only found the allegation "bogus and unrealistic," but said that his conclusions were likely forwarded to the vice president, who made the initial inquiry in a CIA briefing.

Then-Director of Central Intelligence George Tenet said on July 11, "These 16 words should never have been included in the text written for the President .This was a mistake." On July 22, Deputy National Security Advisor Steven Hadley said that he deleted a reference to Iraq's attempts to purchase uranium in Africa from President Bush's October 7, 2002 Cincinnati speech based on a telephone call from DCI Tenet and two CIA memos sent to himself-one of which was also sent to National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice. Hadley said that this second memo detailed

some weakness in the evidence, the fact that the effort was not particularly significant to Iraq's nuclear ambitions because the Iraqis already had a large stock of uranium oxide in their inventory. The memorandum also stated that the CIA had been telling Congress that the Africa story was one of two issues where we differed with the British intelligence . . . based on what we now know, we had opportunities here to avoid this problem. We didn't take them . . . having been taken out of Cincinnati, it should have been taken out of the State of the Union.

The British Push Back

At the time, the British government continued to defend the Niger statement. Tony Blair said in July, "The evidence that we had that the Iraqi government had gone back to try to purchase further amounts of uranium from Niger did not come from so-called 'forged' documents. They came from separate intelligence."

This additional intelligence appears to involve an alleged visit to Niger in 1999 by Iraqi officials. According to the Butler report, in 2000 the British intelligence agencies "judged that Iraqi purchase of uranium ore could have been the subject of discussions" because uranium accounted for three-quarters of Nigerian exports, "[p]utting this together with past Iraqi purchases of uranium ore from Niger, the limitations faced by the Iraqi regime on access to indigenous uranium ore and other evidence of Iraq seeking to restart its nuclear programme." (This visit is said to be separate from a 1999 discussion during an international meeting, where Iraqis, as reported by Ambassador Wilson, expressed their interest in Niger "commodities.") Although the Butler report said that additional evidence surfaced in 2002 to support this judgment, disagreements among the intelligence community about the alleged sale persisted. The report says that the intelligence on the uranium claim was "inconclusive."

Citing these additional reports, many now claim that the administration was correct in its statements because additional evidence beyond the forged documents existed. But why did the U.S. administration backtrack on the Niger uranium claim in July 2003 if this was true? It is significant that then-Iraq Survey Group (ISG) chief David Kay did not mention the Niger uranium controversy in his October 2 testimony to the Senate and House Select Intelligence Committees. To reporters, however, Kay said, "With the yellowcake issue we have found no conclusive proof of attempts. We have found one other offer of uranium to them from another African country. Not [Niger]. But we're still investigating that. So far we have no evidence that it moved beyond what's probably an unsolicited offer, at least the document we have in hand looks like an unsolicited offer."

The Numbers Tell

So, as far as concrete evidence is concerned, the claim appears shaky at best, hardly the stuff that should make up presidential decisions. But could Iraqi interest have been converted into an actual deal? Three memos from officials on the ground said no-reports from the U.S. Ambassador to Niger Barbaro Owens-Kirkpatrick, Marine Corps General Carleton Fulford and Ambassador Wilson all concluded a deal was highly unlikely. Here is why:

Niger has two uranium mines, both owned by a French multi-national consortium (COGEMA) that receives all of Niger's ore for processing. With annual yellowcake production around 2,900 tons, Niger has the third-highest uranium production in the world behind Canada and Australia. Almost all of this yellowcake is exported to France, Japan, and Spain (the countries that make up the COGEMA consortium).

To obtain 500 tons of yellowcake as outlined in the NIE, Iraq would have had to: 1) import one-sixth of the uranium that Niger produces in an entire year, and 2) hide these imports from the consortium that tightly controls the mines and pre-sells the uranium to its members before it is even mined. These are not trivial matters. Even on a much smaller scale, French, international or U.S. authorities would certainly have detected such activity-especially after Niger signed a comprehensive safeguards agreement with the IAEA in June 2002.

The numbers tell us that Iraq's alleged interest in Niger uranium - even if true - never represented an immediate or significant threat to the United States. Simple math and common sense confirm that the claim should never have appeared in administration statements as evidence of an Iraqi nuclear weapon program.

Joseph Cirincione is director for non-proliferation and Alexis Orton is a junior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. Both are co-authors with Jessica Mathews and George Perkovich of WMD in Iraq: Evidence and Implications.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: backtothefuture; ceipneedsacalendar; iaea; iraq; martymcfly; nuclear; wmd; yellowcake
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uh-oh
1 posted on 07/29/2004 1:33:56 PM PDT by texasranger222
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To: texasranger222

Uh oh what?


2 posted on 07/29/2004 1:36:29 PM PDT by nuffsenuff
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To: texasranger222

Niger Uranium. I find that comment offensive. It reminds me of Whoopi Goldberg.


3 posted on 07/29/2004 1:38:44 PM PDT by snopercod (Quatro por las quatro con la Quatro)
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To: nuffsenuff

I think he means he is going bye bye.


4 posted on 07/29/2004 1:39:10 PM PDT by Starstruck
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To: Starstruck

Ah! A troll!

Someone notify the proper authorities.

I don't know how to do it.


5 posted on 07/29/2004 1:40:46 PM PDT by nuffsenuff
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To: texasranger222
The primary evidence for the Niger uranium claim was a series of documents purporting to show a uranium purchase deal with Iraq.

Lie. The forgeries came much later.

Joseph Cirincione is director for non-proliferation and Alexis Orton is a junior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. Both are co-authors with Jessica Mathews and George Perkovich of WMD in Iraq: Evidence and Implications.

Sounds like an objective source to me ... NOT!

Go eat yellowcake, troll-boy.

6 posted on 07/29/2004 1:43:43 PM PDT by dirtboy (Forget Berger's socks - has ANYONE searched his skin folds for classified documents?)
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To: texasranger222

Are these people serious? No one in the admin ever claimed that Hussein had a nuclear bomb. But apparently there are of a number of people who think he certainly had plans to make one. Just ask the Israelis who bombed his nuclear facility in 1981. Given enough time Hussein certainly would have restarted his chem and bio weapons programs according to David Kay who dismissed assertions that Hussein had new wmds. How can anyone in their right mind not believe that with his past, Hussein certainly would like to have restarted a nuclear program? I mean why the heck was he trying to get yellowcake out of Africa if not for those reasons?


7 posted on 07/29/2004 1:44:52 PM PDT by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: texasranger222

I question the timing of this article released on Thursday, August 28, 2008 mr. time traveler dude.


8 posted on 07/29/2004 1:45:00 PM PDT by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
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To: avg_freeper; texasranger222

Oh by the way, are the Clintons behind bars yet?


9 posted on 07/29/2004 1:46:50 PM PDT by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
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To: texasranger222

Hey--are you Joe Wilson?!! You're the guy who talked to a Niger official who'd been approached by the Iraqis to talk about yellow cake. Then you told the CIA one thing and the opposite in the papers and on TV.

So why did you lie?


10 posted on 07/29/2004 1:49:21 PM PDT by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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To: dirtboy
You nailed it. They're still trying to knock down the forged document straw-man, even though that was NOT the source of the intelligence.

Too little, too late. Joe Wilson has been torched as a serial liar.

11 posted on 07/29/2004 1:49:21 PM PDT by colorado tanker (shove it!)
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To: texasranger222

texasranger222 aka maximumsensibility, mostsensible, et al, zotted.
Jim


12 posted on 07/29/2004 1:55:13 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

Hope it was with yellowcake.


13 posted on 07/29/2004 2:00:23 PM PDT by Starstruck
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To: texasranger222
This uranium was kept under IAEA seal and checked annually by the nuclear agency-theoretically unavailable to the Iraqi regime for use in a nuclear program.

Geez...I get to use my favorite quote again...

"That would be the same IAEA that did such a bang-up job keeping tabs on North Korea's nuclear program for the last ten years, right up until 2002 when Pyongyang announced - "Surprise, we have eight nuclear bombs." - Carl Limbacher - Newsmax

14 posted on 07/29/2004 2:02:34 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: Jim Robinson
Wow! Trolls sent through time to post future articles about Iraq on Free Republic.

There's a John Carpenter movie in this somewhere.

15 posted on 07/29/2004 2:03:32 PM PDT by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
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To: texasranger222
uh-oh is right texasranger222 - member as of 7/29/04


16 posted on 07/29/2004 2:05:36 PM PDT by Republican Red (Is that a classified document in your pants Sandy or are you just glad to see me?)
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To: texasranger222

Quoth Marie Antoinette-Kerry: "Let them eat yellowcake."


17 posted on 07/29/2004 2:08:19 PM PDT by Fresh Wind (Uday is DU in Pig Latin)
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To: texasranger222
Volume 7, Number 12 Thursday, August 28, 2008

Hmm. Is this a typo or a satirical comment on the fact that this stupid issue just will never go away? ;-)

A little common sense shows that a Niger uranium sale-even if attempted-was always highly improbable and was never a serious threat.

Uh, so what?

If this is really going to be the argument I'm afraid the entire article becomes one big straw man.

Bush said Saddam sought uranium from Africa. The fact that the author of this article doesn't consider that a "serious threat" is fascinating, but has nothing to do with the truth/falsehood of the claim. The claim can be true, and unimportant in the opinion of this author, at the same time.

Why are leftists (evidently) so arrogant that they seem to think that if they don't consider the uranium claim a serious threat, this (somehow) makes Bush's statement a lie? To disagree with a leftist is to "lie".

Wilson said that he not only found the allegation "bogus and unrealistic,"

On what basis would Joseph Wilson declare such an allegation to be "bogus and unrealistic". His whole attitude has been idiotic from the beginning.

but [Wilson] said that his conclusions were likely forwarded to the vice president,

This, by the way, was a bona fide lie.

But why did the U.S. administration backtrack on the Niger uranium claim in July 2003 if this was true?

To get it out of the damn headlines. Ever heard of something called "politics"?

It is significant that then-Iraq Survey Group (ISG) chief David Kay did not mention the Niger uranium controversy in his October 2 testimony to the Senate and House Select Intelligence Committees.

Why? The uranium claim was about what Saddam "sought", not possessed. This would automatically place it out of Kay's purview.

We have found one other offer of uranium to them from another African country. Not [Niger].

For the record, of course, Bush never said "Niger", he said "Africa".

the claim appears shaky at best, hardly the stuff that should make up presidential decisions.

Um what? There is absolutely nothing here which counters the claim. And who the heck said it "made up" the presidential decision? It was one line in one speech, which was given AFTER the War Powers vote. The President would have made the exact same decision without it (is there any doubt of that?).

The implication here is that Bush went to war "based on" Saddam seeking uranium from Africa, that this is what "made up" his decision to go to war. This is another straw man.

But could Iraqi interest have been converted into an actual deal?

That doesn't matter, as far as the Claim is concerned. For god's sake will these idiots who keep harping on the Claim actually READ THE DAMN THING for once? He said Saddam "sought uranium" and that's ALL he said. Whether that interest (which the author is here CONCEDING, by the way!) "could have been converted into an actual deal" is IRRELEVANT to whether the Claim was true.

But could Iraqi interest have been converted into an actual deal? Three memos from officials on the ground said no

Of course they did! "We have everything under control, all the regulations are in place, and there is no corruption or leakage whatsoever", said the bureaucrats in charge of such things.

What a surprise!

all concluded a deal was highly unlikely

This is what bothered me about Wilson's initial reports from the get-go. So the hell what if a deal is "highly unlikely", that has NOTHING TO DO with debunking Bush's claim! He said "sought" not "got"!

The numbers tell us that Iraq's alleged interest in Niger uranium - even if true - never represented an immediate or significant threat to the United States.

Another straw man. Who said they did?

Once AGAIN,

1. The author is CONCEDING the ACTUAL claim ("sought"), and then

2. Proceeding to say "but so what, no immediate threat".

How the HELL do you get from there to "Bush Lied"?

Simple math and common sense confirm that the claim should never have appeared in administration statements as evidence of an Iraqi nuclear weapon program.

This is just nonsense. Bush can say anything he likes as far as I'm concerned, it was HIS speech.

As long as the statements are true. Which this one WAS.

I don't know what kind of "math" the author thinks he has performed which enables him to somehow disallow efforts to procure uranium from being called evidence of an Iraqi nuclear program. Efforts to procure uranium in this way are ipso facto evidence that Iraq wants to re-start, or advance, a nuclear program.

At this point then it's not clear exactly what the author thinks he has proved but it sure ain't "Bush Lied".

18 posted on 07/29/2004 2:12:47 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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Here is the key sentance.

In March 2003, Iraq had an inventory of over 500 tons of natural uranium and almost two tons of low-enriched uranium.

19 posted on 07/29/2004 2:16:20 PM PDT by ChadGore (Vote Bush. He's Earned It.)
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an alleged visit to Niger in 1999 by Iraqi officials

An alleged visit? Elbaradei has acknowledged it, and the Iraqi ambassador Zawahie has acknowledged it, although he does not admit that it had anything to do with uranium. It might have been just a get-aquainted social, he doesn't really say.

And it was Wilson who brought up the "businessman" better known as Baghdad Bob who also tried to set up meetings on, well, who knows.

a 1999 discussion during an international meeting

... in which "commodities" were sought. What does it take to get these guys to admit that "commodities were sought" when they admit it themselves in the body of their own denial?

the intelligence on the uranium claim was "inconclusive."

And what would be "conclusive" when you have meetings attested to by Elbaradei and Wilson, and admitted to by Zahawie, backed up by MI6? Now we get to the heart of it. CIA won't back up the claim because CIA can't back up the claim because CIA wasn't there. They didn't witness it therefore they will not say it did or didn't happen. That is what makes it "inconclusive". For anyone prepared to testify in court, that would be the right answer. For an intelligence agency advising the president, the right answer would be that Iraq has had several meetings with Niger officials about an unknown subject. Since Niger has only one industry of any significance you might surmise that it has something to do with uranium, but we can't swear to it.

Oh, and the French are involved. Its hard to imagine they would countenance illegal sales, but they are Iraq's #2 arms supplier and they did build a nuclear power plant there once before. Oh, and we know some of the stuff is going over the border to Libya, but hey. Don't ask us to swear to it in court.

20 posted on 07/29/2004 2:30:10 PM PDT by marron
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