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To: tdadams
Because despite your best efforts to convince people otherwise, the only ones holding onto that "homosexuality is a mental disorder" canard are as outdated and disproven, though no less fervent, as those who held onto the geocentric theory of the solar system.

Homosexuality is a paraphilia whether the paraphiliacs insist that it isn't, or not.

Please elaborate on "disproven". It hasn't been "disproven", only disestablished by putsch within the APA. A conciliary vote doesn't equal peer-reviewed proof or even a consensus. If there were a new consensus, then never so many of the members of one of the three APA's (I think it was the American Psychiatric Association, but since the page has been taken down, I don't know which it was) would still, in 2000, dissent from the orthodox view promulgated by the putschists, that says that homosexuality is innate and therefore not disordered -- the analogy in debate, iirc, being handedness.

The survey that was taken down did not ask the question whether the members believed that homosexuality is disordered. I would have loved to see their response to that one. But as long as the inmates are in charge, it's long odds against that question's being asked.

Or do you disagree? May we look forward soon, in your opinion, to a dispassionate new round of discussion of that question among the APA?

And was Democritus "outdated" with his atomic theory, when the Neoplatonists held sway? I suppose he was, by your analogy -- but he was still objectively more correct than anyone else who propounded on essences in classical antiquity.

Oh, and for convenience, I'm going to start numbering the APA's. In my usage I propose to distinguish among them as follows:

APA1 = American Psychiatric Association, keepers of the DSM.

APA2 = American Psychological Association, persecutors of Paul Cameron.

APA3 = American Psychotherapy Association.

If someone has a better way to distinguish them without all the extra keystrokes, I'm open.

47 posted on 07/27/2004 10:44:13 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: lentulusgracchus
We've been over all this before on other threads. I have no interest and no intention of going through the same word games, semantic parsing, and accusations of unanswered questions with you repeatedly.

You're free to believe what you like. You're free to wish the APA hadn't reclassified homosexuality back in 1973. You're free to keep insisting that homosexuals are mentally ill. Everyone has a right to be wrong, including you.

52 posted on 07/28/2004 4:34:43 AM PDT by tdadams (If there were no problems, politicians would have to invent them... wait, they already do.)
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