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To: Alcibiades
Oh yes they most assuredly did! If you think that it "just happened",like a strange offshoot of Topsy's " I JUST GREWED",then you really need to learn some American history and quickly!

The FFs were dead set against a parliamentary system(a many partied system!).There weren't any parties,to begin with,but it became FERY apparent,VERY quickly,that that would NOT work at all;hence our two party syustem...which the FFsz WERE very much a party to.

Immigration? The FFs had a written policy about IMMIGRATION,that WE still hold to? REALLY? You learned THAT in school?

Taxes? There was a federal income tax from day one?

The Articles of Confederation? YOU WANT SLAVERY ?

Instead of delusions,I suggest that you learn some facts,because you aren't dealing with any.

128 posted on 07/26/2004 5:25:48 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons
(Representatives and direct taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole number of free persons, including those bound to service for a term of years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other persons.) My point was the FF's in their "infinine wisdom" didn't fix slavery or women's rights did they?

Fear of factionalism and political parties was deeply rooted in Anglo-American political culture before the American Revolution. Leaders such as George Washington and Thomas Jefferson hoped their new government, founded on the Constitution, would be motivated instead by a common intent, a unity. Political parties did form in the United States and had their beginnings in Washington's cabinet. Jefferson, who resigned as Washington's Secretary of State in 1793, and James Madison, who first began to oppose the policies of Alexander Hamilton while a member of the House of Representatives, soon united, as Jefferson wrote in his will, "in the same principles and pursuits of what [they] deemed for the greatest good of our country". Together, they were central to the creation of the first political party in the United States. In the meantime, those who supported Hamilton began to organize their own party, thus leading to the establishment of a two-party system.

Political parties were not outlined in the constitution they developed out of Washington's cabinet. The 2-party system developed out of necessity. It did "just happen". I would argue that the FFs orginally hoped for no polical parties and they wanted each man to vote his conscience on whats best for the nation. Each senator/person voting their conscience is a many partied system. Parties of One. If we had a pure 2-pary system we would just check republican or democrat every time we vote and there would be no choices on individual candidates.

Immigration was not addressed by the founders except to say that:Congress shall have the power ... To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization

Income taxes came about by the 16th amendment which was ratified in 1913. My point is that the FF's could have better defined taxes that limited the excess taxation we live under today. You would think that they would address it since that was the primary reason for the revolution.

The Articles created a nation that was "a league of friendship and perpetual union." The state governments retained most of the power under this framework, with a subordinate position given to the central government. The central government commanded little respect and was not able to accomplish much because it had little jurisdiction over states or individuals. Hmmm. A weaker federal government that had little jurisdiction over states or individuals. Sound pretty good to me. Admittedly it had flaws on lots of issues like warfare.

http://bensguide.gpo.gov/9-12/documents/articles/ http://edsitement.neh.gov/view_lesson_plan.asp?id=557

137 posted on 07/27/2004 2:50:53 PM PDT by Alcibiades (I wanted a good tagline and all I got was this lousy T-Shirt.)
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