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British children to get jabs against drug addiction
New Zealand Herald ^ | July 26, 2004 | By SOPHIE GOODCHILD and STEVE BLOOMFIELD

Posted on 07/25/2004 4:42:00 PM PDT by aculeus

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To: mugs99

I may be wrong, but I think they have only found a way to take the high out of drugs.

I say try it with addicts and see if it makes rehab more effective.


221 posted on 07/27/2004 4:00:56 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: mugs99

like the line in fiddler on the roof: may the good Lord bless and keep the Czar... far away from us!


222 posted on 07/27/2004 4:17:02 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: A CA Guy

You mean like heroin?
Let's not forget that when heroin came out science pushed it as the cure for opium addiction.

This seems to happen over and over again, yet we always hear about the new and improved cure for one addiction or another.

Addiction is part of the human condition, that is a simple fact of life. Many use alcohol without danger to themselves or others. The same is true of heroin or any other substance.

More murders and suicides are caused by people addicted to love than all legal and illegal substances combined. To cure addiction, you must destroy that which makes us human.

Do you really want to do that?


223 posted on 07/27/2004 7:52:09 PM PDT by mugs99 (Restore the Constitution)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
I'll Amen that!
224 posted on 07/27/2004 7:54:44 PM PDT by mugs99 (Restore the Constitution)
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To: mugs99

I think this is an immunization of sorts.

When was heroin used as an immunization exactly, that is news to me?


225 posted on 07/28/2004 1:03:48 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy

Of sorts? This is Frankenstein science of the same sort practiced by Hitler's Gestapo. Why not just gas the babies of undesireables and be done with it?

Heroin was developed as an antidote to opium addiction.
My point is that everytime we are told that a new cure for addiction has been found, it turns out to be a bigger problem than the original addiction.

If you're going to argue the benefits of anti addiction you should do your own research. Just Google drugs and 1912. That's a good starting point. Read the congressional testimony on the Marijuana Tax Act, 1934.

Conservatives opposed the Marijuana Tax Act. The American Medical Association opposed the Marijuana Tax Act. Every legitimate scientist in the country opposed the Marijuana Tax Act. It was pushed through over the objections of every Republican in congress as part of FDR's socialist program to save the downtrodden masses from the depression.

Only after the arrest of thousands of doctors across the country did the AMA make a deal with the Democrats to support the drug laws.

You will also read in the congressional testimony the promise that the drug act would not be used to prosecute anyone who grew and consumed their own marijuana. This was just a tax on commercial growers who sold across state lines.

In the drug act of 1912 you will read that the statistics used to show an opium addiction problem was taken from the records of civil war veterens, who did have a high addiction rate. Those statistics were outdated at the time they were used and just as phony as statistics used today.

Drug prohibition is a way for government to derive a perpetual income from the taxpayer. This war has been waged since 1912 and drug use has not declined at all even though this war has grown into the biggest war in human history.

Now, you want to let them play with the human brain?


226 posted on 07/28/2004 11:41:06 AM PDT by mugs99 (Restore the Constitution)
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To: aculeus
I knew this article had reminded me of something.

In the movie, Equilibrium (2002), society is kept in check by keeping individuals' emotions in check, and this is done by a daily injection of a drug that deadens one's ability to feel any sort of emotion.

This is basically what these folks are proposing with this "vaccine" against addiction.

"O brave new world, That has such people in't!" (The Tempest)
 

227 posted on 07/28/2004 12:07:13 PM PDT by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: A CA Guy

Sorry, I forgot to add the Heroin info you asked for in my reply.
Heroin and Aspirin were two wonder drugs introduced by Bayer in 1898. According to Bayer, Heroin is ten times more effective as a cough medicine than Codeine, but has only a tenth of its toxic effects. It is also more effective than morphine as a painkiller. It is safe. It isn't habit forming. By 1914 Heroin was the drug of choice for cough
remedies and the treatment of opium and morphine addiction.

Heroin did not become one of the evil drugs until our first drug czar claimed it was being used, along with cocaine, by depraved black jazz musicians to seduce pretty young white girls.

Marijuana, it was claimed, was being used by dpraved Mexican wetbacks to seduce pretty young white girls.
The whole War on Drugs is based on the seduction of pretty young white girls. Even today, we see the pretty young white girls on TV ads telling us about the horrors of drug abuse.

The solution is simple. If we really want to get rid of drugs, lock up all pretty young white girls!


228 posted on 07/28/2004 12:10:44 PM PDT by mugs99 (Restore the Constitution)
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To: mugs99

I don't know about heroine being non-addictive. I've seen folks going through heroine withdrawals, and it ain't a pretty sight.


229 posted on 07/28/2004 12:57:27 PM PDT by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: Junior

I agree with you. They sold it as non addictive and a cure for addiction.

Now we have methadone as the cure for heroin addiction. They sold it to us as the ultimate anti addictive drug. It takes away the high of heroin but cures the craving.

After putting it into use we find that methadone itself is so addictive that once started it can't be stopped.

Heroin addiction is comparable to nicotine addiction. Treating addicts was more successful before methadone.

Again we were fed a lie, and bought it hook, line and sinker. Those using methadone now will be using it for the rest of their lives, and it costs a hell of a lot more than heroin. The only benefit to methadone treatment is to the drug companies that manufacture it and the doctors who push it.

Illegal hard drug use is such a small percentage of the population that it should be treated by your local md. We just don't need to be playing around with the design of the human brain.

Most people in rehab have an alcohol problem. Sure they may use heroin or some other drug, but their problem is alcohol. We don't hear that, because because the government makes more money from the fear of drug abuse.

Marijuana is pushed as a dangerous drug because they need it to keep the drug statistics high. Taxpayers would not spend the huge sums that they do now on the few real addicts we have.

Drug laws protect drug dealers, increase violent crime and steal freedom. When you send that non violent drug addict you despise to prison, he returns as the violent criminal you fear. This is insanity.


230 posted on 07/28/2004 1:51:06 PM PDT by mugs99 (Restore the Constitution)
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To: mugs99
I don't think taxpayers should be footing the bill for anything but that which is spelled out in the Constitution. My attitude is, it's your life and you're responsible for it, not me.

That being said, I see nothing wrong with voluntarily giving to charities to cover rehab for drug addicts, I just don't think I should be coerced to do so.

231 posted on 07/28/2004 2:08:16 PM PDT by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: Junior

I agree with you.
Let addicts pay for their own drugs.


232 posted on 07/28/2004 2:47:12 PM PDT by mugs99 (Restore the Constitution)
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