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To: familyop

The state has no business "licensing" an institution ordained by God...licenses came about during the days of slavery to keep the races from intermingling.


8 posted on 07/25/2004 3:35:12 PM PDT by lodwick (It's not about right v. left - it's about good v. evil.)
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To: lodwick

I always find it amusing when "conservatives" who believe in smaller government, less intrusion of government, free-market capitalism and all of that, suddenly call for an intrusion of government to stop behavior that not only doesn't affect them personally, but is only abhorrent to their own culture. Especially as a member of the Religious Right (tm), I feel somewhat conflicted when this happens. I'm gonna stick to my guns on this one, though, since it is consistent with my principles. Homosexual behaviour is wrong, but it is not the role of government to decide this. The government is there to enforce laws. Those laws are put in place in order to protect the rights of the people. You can't steal because it denies property rights to others. You can't murder because it denies the right to exist to another person. You can't recklessly endanger others. However, you can have friendships, associations and sex with whoever you choose. But don't destroy the rights of other people. I can't see why this is hard to understand.
If you use this issue to assert your majority will, in direct conflict with the Constitution article 9, don't whine when the left forms its majority over something near and dear to your heart and yanks your righteous indignation right out through your ear, okay?
Here's a list of potential issues you might just have to deal with if you set a legal precedent of government intervention:

Parental rights will disappear and be replaced by the discretion of the State.

Derogatory speech which APPEARS to be directed at racial, socioeconomic groups, or other protected groups will be criminal.

Your right to worship as you choose will disappear, and the Bible will be replaced with a more tolerant and even-handed version.

All behavior deemed offensive to any group will be outlawed. These behaviors include spanking, prayer, wearing of religious ornaments, use of opinionated or poignant bumper stickers, uppity black people supporting conservative causes, gun ownership, action movies, nudity (of womyn), heterosexual intercourse (see rape), marriage, motherhood (see white slavery), public opposition of marxism/leninism, consumption of fatty foods, smoking, Atkins, cheesecake, candies, Valentine's day, Father's Day, Christmas, Yom Kippur, Hannukkah, Veteran's Day, Memorial Day, Capitalism, Entrepreneurship (see Capitalism), loud music, Sport-Utility-Vehicles, gasoline, CO2 production, breathing, passing wind, lumberjacking, camping, hunting, fishing, zoos, meat, animal husbandry, eggs, fish, poulty, fur, Roy Rogers, Huckleberry Finn, abstinence education, pastries, clothes with mixed fibers, plastic, glass, and the miniskirt.

I don't want to live in that world. If you do, kindly move to Antarctica and create it there.


10 posted on 07/25/2004 4:13:02 PM PDT by AdequateMan (Gay marriage is a trap, a legal precedent trap, and you're falling for it.)
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To: lodwick
"The state has no business "licensing" an institution ordained by God...licenses came about during the days of slavery to keep the races from intermingling."

Here are some results from a hasty search. Marriages have been carefully recorded since the time of Moses, at least, to prevent libertinians from destroying the family.

http://www.dinsdoc.com/greene-3-6.htm
"Compton soon after his accession; and in 1685 he secured a modification of the instructions to the royal governors by which his episcopal authority was to take effect “as far as conveniently may be,” reserving to the governor the rights of collation to benefices, issuing of marriage licenses, and the probate of wills."

http://genealogy.patp.us/par-yrks.shm
"'Paver' includes Paver's Marriage License Index, vol 1, 1630 and Paver's Marriage Licenses [Add. MS 29668]."

http://www.phillipsplace.net/genealogy/ps02/ps02_097.html
"Stepney, bachelor, 26, and Elizabeth Ivatt of St. Botolph, Aldgate, spinster, 15, daughter of Oliver Ivatt, deceased, consent of Hugh Bourman her father (in law), at Westham, Essex, 20 August 1629 (London Marriage Licenses)."

http://www.familyresearcher.net/BritishResearch/ChurchofEngland.cfm

And here's the truth about the known origians of hypocrisy and lies of the US social left on slavery.

Who's Lying to You About Early Feminism?
Susan B. Anthony: Racist Manipulator

22 posted on 07/25/2004 5:25:29 PM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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To: lodwick

Licensing of Marriage became a civil institution because of Luther and the Reformation. Before the Reformation Marriage was a religious rite and divorce was condemned.


77 posted on 07/25/2004 9:13:10 PM PDT by Little Bill (John F'n Kerry is a self promoting scumbag!)
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