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To: familyop

Truth is truth regardless of how perfect the messenger is. We have to fight this battle on all fronts. That means we must clean our own houses even as we fight to maintain community standards. Make no mistake, the church is lax because it has been TOO TOLERANT in the past. We have allowed the left to convince everyone that Christian values are anti-American. Nothing could be further from the truth. But past apathy has done a great deal of damage. We have given up our freedoms without a fight. Along the way, we have also given up our values. We have grown ashamed of them. We've become convinced that they belong hidden in the closet, private thoughts that cannot be aired in public without great shame and offense. At the same time, in our absence, those who behave in shocking ways and advocate perversions which used to be considered shameful have taken our place at the community table. And we have followed them in their ways, ceasing to be any kind of moral voice in the culture. Yes, we need to clean our own house. But that does not change the reality of right and wrong in the public square.


3 posted on 07/25/2004 1:51:46 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past; Maximilian
Thanks, Ghost. ...well said, neighbor.

And Max, here's a ping to a Southern Baptist piece about divorce problems, the Marriage Amendment, etc. Y'all are more than welcome to bring criticisms and other word. Protestants, as you know, have long left their own kind of traditionalism behind, having been easily scattered by insurgents about 150 years ago in the USA. See "Quaker," "Unitarian," "Universalist," and so forth--the evangelists of "inner light" and romanticism. Some source material can be found behind the following, for all who follow links and read.

Who's Lying to You About Early Feminism?
Susan B. Anthony: Against Marriage


Who's Lying to You About Early Feminism?
Susan B. Anthony: Lucifer's Babe?

4 posted on 07/25/2004 2:15:21 PM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past; familyop

Well said. And thanks, familyop for the ping. I'll get to doing the pingthing in a while.

I agree 100%. At least.


5 posted on 07/25/2004 2:28:10 PM PDT by little jeremiah (The Islamic Jihad and the Homosexual Jihad both want to destroy us.)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

There is always more to these "clean" divorces where there is not infidelity or abuse. (ie no sex from either husband or wife)

No fault will never be undone HOWEVER we need to undo the "cash out" value of a marriage via divorce.

The ABSOLUTE first step is to create a ne model divorce code for all states to work from.

The ABA created a model divorce code and this code is used by all states in creating divorce law. (the current project even accomodates homosexual divorce and the ABA is pushing for its adoption)

This will take legislative time but it requires 1. TELL people that the only model legislators have to work with is a left wing liberal anti marriage model code and 2. CREATE AN ALTERNATIVE!

If done correctly, the ABA's model code can eventually become forbidden in any legislators or capital's legislative libraries.


56 posted on 07/25/2004 7:37:28 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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