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I understand. I just thought the China link to be facinating. I don't know which direction. Was Echelon used to "look at China", as I understood it, or was Echelon used to "hide China", aka Clinton/Berger. You just threw out a comment that brought back some history threads.

I feel, as a 10 year USAF veteran and tech rep on highly classified projects in aerospace, Berger did something more than protecting some files from the 9/11 panel. It had to be big. Like insurance (for him) to highly classified documents involving him and Clinton to China. BIG, BIG, BIG!

Sorry to change the subject, but a key word did it!

I am with you in re concerns regarding Echelon and China. At the time? Yes, I was worried that Echelon was being used to Protect China; but used also to go after detractors of the Clinton Admin. I am so glad you brought this UP.

Brought back a flood of memories for me. Some, pre-t-t-y darned scary. And yes, it might be off topic -- but Clinton railroaded a mine to sell plutonium to the Chinese. Desert Protection Act (Di-Fi), materials also sold to the Chinese. At that time in CA pub ed schools? lots of curriculum studies in "protecting our deserts". The desert was "off-limits" but the materials were being sold to China via Di-Fi's husband. Clintons giving nuclear secrets away to China. Selling of the Panama Canal. The closing of military bases in So CA. Hazel O'Leary inviting everyone into issue of national security under the byline of "Everyone is nice these days because the current US Admin are such groovy people.."

And, lastly -- I perfectly concur with you that the Berger / Archive incidences have got me worried -- Like you, I think these were big. Big Big Big. China now has nuclear powered subs. Russia and France had been in a deal to sell some superarms to China -- VP Cheney paid China a visit..

Nah. IT's not off subject, IMHO. Always, women, involved to cover up and/or divert the matter.

It was Newsmax, using sources from elsewhere, who reported that China had been using New Zealand as their "listening" base. And this was AFTER all the above facts. And just before or immediately afterwards, Clinton "appointed" Carol Mosely-Braun as ambassador to New Zealand. And after it was very clear that CMB was a petty thief (embezzlement) -- certain her "Mel" man was.