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To: Havoc
You can disagree with me as a matter of public policy or common sense, but you can't disagree with me based on the Constitution. You don't have a 4th Amendment right to assert against me for an unreasonable search or seizure. You probably have all kinds of LAWS against that, but the Bill of Rights only restricts the Federal government and the state governments to the extent that those rights have been extended to the various states.

If I'm your employer, I can restrict the heck out of your right to free speech or to carry a weapon, or whatever. Unfortunately, that right is being eroded, and it sounds like many here support that.

107 posted on 07/23/2004 8:32:56 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone; Mulder
Here is the Florida Statute on Corporations:
607.0302 General powers.--Unless its articles of incorporation provide otherwise, every corporation has perpetual duration and succession in its corporate name and has the same powers as an individual to do all things necessary or convenient to carry out its business and affairs, including without limitation power: (1) to ... yada yada yada [emphasis added]

The bold clause tells me a corporation and an individual are not completely equal, at least in Florida. And I didn't go to law school but I did sleep at a Holiday Inn once.

115 posted on 07/23/2004 8:43:01 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good" HRC 6/28/2004)
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To: Dog Gone

My law school was the University of Southern California.

If I'm your employer, I can restrict the heck out of your right to free speech or to carry a weapon, or whatever.

Unfortunately, that right is being eroded, and it sounds like many here support that.
107 Dog Gone

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USC law school taught you that employers have right to "restrict the heck out of your right to free speech or to carry a weapon, or whatever"?

You should sue the bastards.


117 posted on 07/23/2004 8:47:33 PM PDT by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson)
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To: Dog Gone
You probably have all kinds of LAWS against that, but the Bill of Rights only restricts the Federal government and the state governments to the extent that those rights have been extended to the various states

What about when the corporation *is* the government de facto? I'd be interested in your thoughts here.

If the gov't owned the corporation 100%, could they then have license to infringe upon all individual Rights?

What if the percentage is only 50%? Or 1%?

Or what if they don't own it, but pass laws making it impossible for anyone else to compete with the company?

If I'm your employer, I can restrict the heck out of your right to free speech or to carry a weapon, or whatever.

Can a man consensually surrender his Right to self-defense or Right to free speech? I think not. Consider what Sam Adams had to say:

"If men, through fear, fraud, or mistake, should in terms renounce or give up any natural right, the eternal law of reason and the grand end of society would absolutely vacate such renunciation. The right to freedom being the gift of Almighty God, it is not in the power of man to alienate this gift and voluntarily become a slave.”"

Certainly no third party can deprive a man of his Rights, if even he himself cannot surrender them.

Keep in mind, we're not talking about employees who want to open a shooting range on company property, or clean their guns while they should be working.

We are talking about the Rights of individuals to bear arms for defense of themselves, their property, and their nation. No power on earth has the moral authority to deprive them of that Right and duty.

119 posted on 07/23/2004 8:50:28 PM PDT by Mulder (All might be free if they valued freedom, and defended it as they should.-- Samuel Adams)
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