Posted on 07/23/2004 11:48:13 AM PDT by RWR8189
| "If Candidate Kerry was misled, it was from Senator Kerry - the same Senator Kerry who wrote that if Saddam Hussein was 'unwilling to bend' he had 'invited enforcement,' even if the United States had to act alone. Senator Kerry has four days in Boston to explain a dizzying array of positions on the war in Iraq to an American public growing tired of his vacillations and doublespeak." - Steve Schmidt, Bush-Cheney '04 Spokesman |
I made up a whole debate between Candidate Kerry and Senator Kerry about a month ago. They were on complete opposite sides of the fense on most all issues.
The Kerrys Debate I: Senator Kerry vs. Candidate Kerry
Various | 3-5-04 | ALways RIght
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1091343/posts
Posted on 03/05/2004 9:47:44 AM EST by Always Right
Moderator: Welcome everyone. Today will be our first debate between Senator John Forbes Kerry (D-MA) and the Democratic Presidential nominee John F. Kerry. Senator Kerry, the first question is for you. What was your position on the 1991 Gulf War?
Senator Kerry: As you know, I voted against the war in Iraq in 1991. Instead I supported a resolution which would have continued economic sanctions against Iraq. I stated on the floor of the Senate that there is no consensus in America for war and, therefore, the Congress should not vote to authorize war. I rejected the rush to so much death and destruction when it did not have to happen.
I have long been a critic of such wars, protesting against what we did in Vietnam and testified before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee concerning the atrocities committed by US soldiers including myself against innocent Vietnamese. I was ashamed of my involvement in Vietnam and participated in an event where Vietnam vets threw our war metals away.
Moderator: Thank you Senator. Candidate Kerry how do you respond?
Candidate Kerry: A month after Senator Kerry voted against the war, I wrote a letter to one of my supporters in which I said, From the outset of the invasion, I have strongly and unequivocally supported President Bush's response to the crisis and the policy goals he has established with our military deployment in the Persian Gulf." My experience as decorated soldier in Vietnam proves that I am strong on defense.
Moderator: Since the first Gulf War, both of your positions have seemed to changed over time. Could you explain your position on the current war in Iraq? Candidate Kerry, you go first please.
Candidate Kerry: As you know from my campaign, I have taken a strong position against Bushs unilateral war in which he mislead the American people. In fact, a month prior to Senator Kerry voting for the resolution authorizing war, I wrote an op ed in the New York Times against such a resolution, as war should have been the absolute last resort. Continuing the inspection process offered the best hope for a peaceful solution and I stated, those who think that the inspection process is merely a waste of time should be reminded that legitimacy in the conduct of war, among our people and our allies, is not a waste, but an essential foundation of success. President Bush rushed America into war. The war was poorly planned and has proven too costly in terms of American lives and money.
I also opposed the additional $78 billion for the reconstruction of Iraq. President Bush should be opening and internationalizing the contracting process instead of non-competitively awarding the lions share contracts to Halliburton and other select American companies.
This administrations brazen, go-it-alone policy has placed our soldiers at unnecessary risk and our hopes for success in jeopardy. It has turned American liberators into occupiers in the eyes of many Iraqis. It has created a terrorist presence in Iraq where none previously existed and made Iraq a recruiting poster for terrorists of the future. It has undermined the legitimacy of our efforts at home, abroad, and in Iraq. And it has left Iraqis wondering when they will get their country back. We cannot continue on this course. The stakes are too high for our troops, for the Iraqi people, for the region, and for American security.
Moderator: Thank you Candidate Kerry, and Senator your response?
Senator Kerry: I must strongly disagree with Candidate Kerry here. I voted for the Iraqi War Resolution. We are facing a very different world today than we have ever faced before. September 11 changed a lot
.(Saddam was) a brutal, oppressive dictator, guilty of personally murdering and condoning murder and torture, grotesque violence against women, execution of political opponents, a war criminal who used chemical weapons against another nation and, of course, as we know, against his own people, the Kurds. He has diverted funds from the Oil-for-Food program, intended by the international community to go to his own people. He has supported and harbored terrorist groups, particularly radical Palestinian groups such as Abu Nidal, and he has given money to families of suicide murderers in Israel.
The Senate worked to urge action in early 1998. I joined with Senator McCain, Senator Hagel, and other Senators, in a resolution urging the President (Clinton) to take all necessary and appropriate actions to respond to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end his weapons of mass destruction program. That was 1998 that we thought we needed a more serious response.
By standing (now) with the President (Bush), Congress
demonstrate(d) our Nation (was) united in its determination to take away that arsenal, and we
affirm(ed) the President's right and responsibility to keep the American people safe
So I believe the Senate
made it clear, and the country will make it clear, that we will not be blackmailed or extorted
and we
(could) not permit the United Nations--an institution we have worked hard to nurture and create--to simply be ignored by this dictator.
Moderator: Thank you Senator. I must say this is exciting, after all the Democratic debates between the candidates, where everyone was agreeing, to have such a debate with completely opposite positions. Now lets switch gears and discuss a hot topic that has been in the news lately, gay marriage. Candidate Kerry, what is your position on gay marriage?
Candidate Kerry: I have taken the same stance as President Bush and Vice President Cheney in opposing gay marriage. I personally oppose gay marriage. Whether I would support a constitutional amendment depends entirely on the language of whether it permits civil unions and partnership or not
.I believe the right answer is civil unions. I oppose gay marriage and disagree with the Massachusetts Court's decision
Moderator: And Senator Kerry
Senator Kerry: Unlike Candidate Kerry, my record in the Senate establishes me as one of the leading defenders of gay marriage. I was one of only 14 Senators who voted against the unconstitutional, unprecedented, unnecessary and mean-spirited bill Defense of Marriage Act in 1996, which was signed by President Clinton. I considered the Defense of Marriage bill the equivalent of banning interracial marriages and thought it was gay-bashing on the floor of the United States Senate. And just back in July of 2002, I signed a joint congressional letter which stated, "we believe it would be a grave error for Massachusetts to enshrine in our Constitution a provision which would have such a negative effect on so many of our fellow residents." So I have strongly opposed legislation on the state and federal level which would ban gay marriage.
Moderator: So thank you Candidate Kerry and Senator Kerry for participating tonight in our first Kerry debate. In future debates we will discuss jobs, trade, security, and taxes. Thank you for joining us and good night.
Wow. I forgot about this. Thanks for the virtual PING!
The metrosexual gigolo flip flopper faux war hero pompous windbag has no business even thinking about running for elective office.
It is only because he has a complicit media behind him that he's running at 50/50 with the president.
And, there will come a time when the rest of America will refer to Effin's tiny attack dog, John Edwards as: The political equivalent of breast implants!
What a duo.............two losers!!!!!!!!
Yeah, but he knows where he stands on Iraq. Hurl.
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| VoteMatch Responses (Click here for VoteMatch quiz) |
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| VoteMatch Question & Answer (Click on question for explanation and background) |
Based on these stances: (Click on topic for excerpt & citation) |
| Strongly Favors topic 1:Abortion is a woman's right (10 points on Social scale) |
Kerry staunchly resists restrictions on abortions: Strongly Favors topic 1 Partial-birth abortion ban undermine women's right to choose: Strongly Favors topic 1 No criminalization of a woman's right to choose: Strongly Favors topic 1 Expand embryonic stem cell research.: Favors topic 1 NO on disallowing overseas military abortions: Favors topic 1 NO on banning partial birth abortions: Strongly Favors topic 1 NO on maintaining ban on Military Base Abortions: Favors topic 1 NO on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime: Favors topic 1 |
| Favors topic 2:Require companies to hire more women & minorities (2 points on Economic scale) |
Questions the ultimate practicality of affirmative action: Opposes topic 2 Shift from group preferences to economic empowerment of all.: Neutral on topic 2 NO on banning affirmative action hiring with federal funds: Strongly Favors topic 2 YES on prohibiting job discrimination by sexual orientation: Strongly Favors topic 2 NO on ending special funding for minority & women-owned business: Strongly Favors topic 2 NO on prohibiting same-sex basic training: Favors topic 2 YES on setting aside 10% of highway funds for minorities & women: Favors topic 2 |
| Strongly Favors topic 3:Sexual orientation protected by civil rights laws (10 points on Social scale) |
Defense of Marriage Act is fundamentally ugly: Strongly Favors topic 3 Supports federal DOMA, but not Massachusetts DOMA: Opposes topic 3 For partnership rights and civil union: Strongly Favors topic 3 More funding and stricter sentencing for hate crimes.: Strongly Favors topic 3 NO on prohibiting same-sex marriage: Strongly Favors topic 3 YES on prohibiting job discrimination by sexual orientation: Strongly Favors topic 3 YES on expanding hate crimes to include sexual orientation: Favors topic 3 YES on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes: Strongly Favors topic 3 |
| Opposes topic 4:Permit prayer in public schools (7 points on Social scale) |
NO on requiring schools to allow voluntary prayer: Opposes topic 4 NO on $75M for abstinence education: Strongly Opposes topic 4 YES on restricting violent videos to minors: Neutral topic 4 |
| Favors topic 5:More federal funding for health coverage (2 points on Economic scale) |
Health care is not a privilege but a right for all: Favors topic 5 Catastrophic health coverage for all costs over $50,000: Strongly Favors topic 5 Cut $350B of bureaucracy and cover 90% of Americans: Strongly Favors topic 5 Cover more citizens with health plan like Congress gets: Strongly Favors topic 5 Lack of accessible health care is a disgrace: Favors topic 5 Establish "report cards" on HMO quality of care.: Favors topic 5 Let states make bulk Rx purchases, and other innovations.: Opposes topic 5 YES on medical savings acounts: Favors topic 5 YES on Medicare means-testing: Opposes topic 5 NO on limiting self-employment health deduction: Favors topic 5 YES on Unknown roll call for 1999-76: Favors topic 5 YES on including prescription drugs under Medicare: Favors topic 5 NO on funding GOP version of Medicare prescription drug benefit: Favors topic 5 |
| Opposes topic 6:Privatize Social Security (2 points on Economic scale) |
Will not privatize Social Security nor cut benefits: Strongly Opposes topic 6 I will never privatize, extend retirement age, nor cut SS: Strongly Opposes topic 6 Don't threaten Social Security on Wall Street trading block: Opposes topic 6 Create Retirement Savings Accounts.: Favors topic 6 NO on deducting Social Security payments on income taxes: Opposes topic 6 NO on allowing Roth IRAs for retirees: Opposes topic 6 NO on allowing personal retirement accounts: Opposes topic 6 |
| Strongly Opposes topic 7:Parents choose schools via vouchers (0 points on Social scale) |
Vouchers drain resources from public schools: Opposes topic 7 Stop viewing charter schools as threatening innovation: Favors topic 7 Nothing good about vouchers can't be done in public schools: Strongly Opposes topic 7 Offer every parent Charter Schools and public school choice.: Opposes topic 7 NO on school vouchers in DC: Strongly Opposes topic 7 NO on education savings accounts: Opposes topic 7 NO on allowing more flexibility in federal school rules: Strongly Opposes topic 7 NO on Educational Savings Accounts: Opposes topic 7 YES on funding smaller classes instead of private tutors: Opposes topic 7 YES on funding student testing instead of private tutors: Opposes topic 7 |
| Opposes topic 8:Death Penalty (7 points on Social scale) |
Opposes death penalty except for post 9-11 terrorists: Favors topic 8 States should not engage in killing-too many mistakes: Strongly Opposes topic 8 Moratorium on federal executions-only exception is terrorism: Opposes topic 8 Require DNA testing for all federal executions.: Strongly Opposes topic 8 NO on rejecting racial statistics in death penalty appeals: Opposes topic 8 NO on limiting death penalty appeals: Opposes topic 8 |
| Strongly Opposes topic 9:Mandatory Three Strikes sentencing laws (10 points on Social scale) |
NO on mandatory prison terms for crimes involving firearms: Strongly Opposes topic 9 NO on more penalties for gun & drug violations: Opposes topic 9 YES on $1.15 billion per year to continue the COPS program: Opposes topic 9 |
| Strongly Opposes topic 10:Absolute right to gun ownership (0 points on Social scale) |
Gun owner & hunter, but rights come with responsibility: Favors topic 10 Democratic Party shouldn't be for the NRA: Strongly Opposes topic 10 Supports assault weapons ban & Brady Bill: Opposes topic 10 Prevent unauthorized firearm use with "smart gun" technology.: Opposes topic 10 NO on maintaining current law: guns sold without trigger locks: Strongly Opposes topic 10 NO on loosening license & background checks at gun shows: Opposes topic 10 YES on background checks at gun shows: Strongly Opposes topic 10 NO on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence: Strongly Opposes topic 10 |
| Opposes topic 11:Decrease overall taxation of the wealthy (2 points on Economic scale) |
More tax cuts for people who make less than $200,000: Opposes topic 11 They're not Bush tax cuts, they're Democrat tax cuts: Favors topic 11 Base policy on broad growth and progressive taxation: Strongly Opposes topic 11 GOP tax policy comforts the comfortable: Opposes topic 11 Bush tax cuts reach 32 million in middle class: Favors topic 11 No excuse for special tax cuts for the rich: Strongly Opposes topic 11 We're tired of being trickled on--Middle class tax cuts now: Strongly Opposes topic 11 YES on Internet sales tax moratorium: Favors topic 11 NO on FY99 tax cuts: Strongly Opposes topic 11 NO on requiring super-majority for raising taxes: Opposes topic 11 NO on $792B tax cuts: Opposes topic 11 NO on eliminating the 'marriage penalty': Opposes topic 11 NO on prioritizing national debt reduction below tax cuts: Opposes topic 11 YES on reducing marriage penalty instead of cutting top tax rates: Opposes topic 11 NO on cutting taxes by $1.35 trillion over 11 years: Strongly Opposes topic 11 YES on spending $448B of tax cut on education & debt reduction: Opposes topic 11 NO on $350 billion in tax breaks over 11 years: Strongly Opposes topic 11 |
| Favors topic 12:Immigration helps our economy-encourage it (7 points on Economic scale) |
Restore immigrant benefits lost in 1996 welfare reform: Strongly Favors topic 12 Earned legalization for undocumented immigrants: Favors topic 12 Amnesty to anyone here over 5 or 6 years: Strongly Favors topic 12 NO on limit welfare for immigrants: Strongly Favors topic 12 NO on visas for skilled workers: Opposes topic 12 NO on allowing more foreign workers into the U.S. for farm work: Opposes topic 12 |
| Favors topic 13:Support & expand free trade (7 points on Economic scale) |
Veto FTAA and CAFTA until they have stronger standards: Opposes topic 13 Trade grows jobs: Strongly Favors topic 13 Build a rule-based global trading system.: Favors topic 13 YES on Unknown roll call for 1997-292: Favors topic 13 YES on renewing 'fast track' presidential trade authority: Favors topic 13 YES on expanding trade to the third world: Favors topic 13 YES on removing common goods from national security export rules: Favors topic 13 YES on extending free trade to Andean nations: Strongly Favors topic 13 |
| Strongly Opposes topic 14:Link human rights to trade with China (10 points on Social scale) |
YES on killing a bill for trade sanctions if China sells weapons: Opposes topic 14 YES on permanent normal trade relations with China: Strongly Opposes topic 14 YES on granting normal trade relations status to Vietnam: Opposes topic 14 |
| Opposes topic 15:More spending on armed forces (7 points on Economic scale) |
$87B for Iraq only when internationalization is addressed: Favors topic 15 NO on 1996 Defense Appropriations: Opposes topic 15 NO on favoring 36 vetoed military projects: Strongly Opposes topic 15 YES on allowing another round of military base closures: Opposes topic 15 YES on military pay raise of 4.8%: Strongly Favors topic 15 |
| Favors topic 16:Reduce spending on missile defense (Star Wars) (2 points on Economic scale) |
NO on considering deploying NMD, and amending ABM Treaty: Favors topic 16 NO on deploying missile defense as soon as possible: Favors topic 16 NO on cutting nuclear weapons below START levels: Favors topic 16 YES on adopting the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty: Favors topic 16 YES on deploying National Missile Defense ASAP: Strongly Opposes topic 16 |
| Strongly Favors topic 17:Seek UN approval for military action (0 points on Economic scale) |
Get US more deeply involved in Arab-Israeli peace process: Strongly Favors topic 17 Supports multilateral cooperative internationalism: Strongly Favors topic 17 Progressive Internationalism: globalize with US pre-eminence.: Favors topic 17 Multi-year commitment to Africa for food & medicine.: Strongly Favors topic 17 NO on limiting NATO expansion to only Poland, Hungary & Czech: Favors topic 17 YES on $17.9 billion to IMF: Favors topic 17 NO on cap foreign aid at only $12.7 billion: Favors topic 17 YES on authorizing air strikes in Kosovo: Neutral topic 17 NO on allowing all necessary forces and other means in Kosovo: Neutral topic 17 YES on enlarging NATO to include Eastern Europe: Strongly Favors topic 17 |
| Strongly Favors topic 18:Reduce use of coal, oil, & nuclear energy (0 points on Economic scale) |
20% renewable energy by 2020: Strongly Favors topic 18 Invent our way out of oil dependency-don't drill our way out: Favors topic 18 Invest in advancing secure forms of energy instead of oil: Strongly Favors topic 18 Led effort to try to raise fuel efficiency standards: Strongly Favors topic 18 Supports tradable emissions permits for greenhouse gases.: Favors topic 18 Reduce liability for hazardous waste cleanup.: Opposes topic 18 Keep climate change in EPA "State of the Environment" report.: Favors topic 18 Keep efficient air conditioner rule to conserve energy.: Strongly Favors topic 18 NO on do not require ethanol in gasoline: Favors topic 18 YES on reducing funds for road-building in National Forests: Favors topic 18 NO on defunding renewable and solar energy: Strongly Favors topic 18 YES on keeping CAFE fuel efficiency standards: Favors topic 18 NO on preserving budget for ANWR oil drilling: Favors topic 18 NO on confirming Gale Norton as Secretary of Interior: Favors topic 18 NO on replacing CAFE standards within 15 months: Strongly Favors topic 18 YES on targeting 100,000 hydrogen-powered vehicles by 2010: Strongly Favors topic 18 YES on removing consideration of drilling ANWR from budget bill: Favors topic 18 |
| Strongly Opposes topic 19:Drug use is immoral: enforce laws against it (10 points on Social scale) |
NO on spending international development funds on drug control: Strongly Opposes topic 19 NO on more penalties for gun & drug violations: Opposes topic 19 NO on increasing penalties for drug offenses: Opposes topic 19 |
| Favors topic 20:Allow churches to provide welfare services (2 points on Social scale) |
Finish welfare reform by moving able recipients into jobs.: Favors topic 20 YES on welfare overhaul: Favors topic 20 NO on allowing state welfare waivers: Opposes topic 20 YES on eliminating block grants for food stamps: Opposes topic 20 YES on welfare block grants: Favors topic 20 |

| John Kerry is an EXTREME Liberal. But, according to European Standards he is a MODERATE CONSERVATE LIBERAL. The vote 2000 web site considers Kerry to be a "Moderate Liberal". Yet their criteria negates the fact that he has the most liberal voting record in the Senate...EVER! By their standard, the Senate is populated with ultra conservatives and no real liberals. Click here for THEIR explanation (and Justification) for their classification. |
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