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Missourians split on Kerry, Bush
The Kansas City Star ^ | July 22, 2004 | STEVE KRASKE

Posted on 07/22/2004 12:09:08 PM PDT by COURAGE







Posted on Thu, Jul. 22, 2004


Missourians split on Kerry, Bush
Poll shows race within error margin

The Kansas City Star

Missouri, considered the best presidential bellwether state in the nation, is torn between Sen. John Kerry and President Bush, a new poll shows.

With just more than three months to go before the November election, the statewide survey found Kerry leading Bush 46 percent to 44 percent. But the poll's 4-point margin of error suggests the race remains a virtual tie.

Conducted for The Kansas City Star and KMBC-TV by Market Research Institute of Mission, the poll found that just 1 percent of respondents favored third-party contender Ralph Nader. Nine percent were undecided.

“You're looking at almost a dead heat,” said Stephen Caliendo, a political scientist at Avila University in Kansas City. “I think that Missouri is probably very similar at this point in time to other swing states, in that it is so closely divided.”

Caliendo said he was surprised that only 9 percent of respondents were undecided. That figure, he said, was far lower than at this point in other elections.

“A lot of folks appear to be saying they've got their minds made up early,” he said. “I'm not sure when the last time was that we've seen that.”

Conducted July 13 through Tuesday, the poll surveyed 600 Missourians. Asked their party affiliations, 36 percent said they were Democrats, 32 percent said they were Republicans while 28 percent identified themselves as independents.

Of the remaining 4 percent, half said they were affiliated with another party while the remaining 2 percent said they didn't know their party affiliation.

The survey might slightly under-represent the number of Republicans, considering the party affiliations of those who voted in the 2000 presidential election. An MSNBC exit poll of Missouri that year determined that 39 percent of the state's voters were Democrats, 38 percent were Republican and 23 percent were independent.

Those figures were roughly similar to another 2000 exit poll that Voter News Service conducted for The Associated Press.

Asked about which candidate would do a better job of handling a series of issues, Missourians picked Kerry on protecting the middle class, improving health care, keeping America prosperous, improving education, holding down federal spending, strengthening Social Security and creating jobs.

Bush scored higher when it came to “sharing your values,” holding the line on taxes, safeguarding the United States from terrorists and handling the situation in Iraq.

Several of the issues — keeping the nation prosperous, sharing your values and holding down federal spending — were decided by a point or two, which suggested that neither candidate held a clear lead.

Poll respondents named different reasons for backing Bush and Kerry. Gary Cramer, a retired truck driver from Cabool, Mo., said the senator from Massachusetts was the lesser of two evils.

“I'm coming down anti-Bush,” he said. “I don't like Bush's economic policies. In fact, I don't like any of his policies at all. I don't like the way he's handling the war in Iraq or any of it.”

Bill Ainsworth, a disabled veteran from St. Louis, said the war with Iraq had pushed him toward Kerry.

“I'm tired of going nowhere except the war,” Ainsworth said. “We should be making friends in the world, not enemies. It seems like a lot of lives could have been saved and a lot of good could've been done with the money.”

But two other Missourians said they were sticking with Bush.

“He's got the experience,” said James Adams, a retired international consultant from Forsyth. “You don't change horses in the middle of a stream. We need to get out of Iraq, and he has plans for doing that.”

Larry Giovanni, an SBC Communications manager from St. Louis, said he'll vote for Bush even though he didn't think the president had been particularly effective.

“I certainly don't cherish the thought of Mr. Kerry running our country for four years,” Giovanni said. “I think he's not in the mainstream at all where most Americans are.”

Spokesmen for the two campaigns said they were pleased with the results.

“I think it's very clear that John Kerry's vision for an America that's stronger at home and respected around the world is catching on in Missouri,” said Michael Golden, Kerry's Missouri communications director.

The spokesman for Bush, Danny Diaz, said the Bush team had always thought Missouri would be hotly contested. He pointed out that this week the president and Vice President Dick Cheney had been campaigning in the state.

“This is a Republican state,” Diaz said. “We expect to carry its 11 electoral votes. We will not be outworked in Missouri.”

For months, Missouri has been the focus of intense campaign attention. Kerry and Bush have visited the state numerous times, and Kansas City and St. Louis rank as two of the top targets for television advertising by both camps.

The state has voted for the presidential winner in every election since 1900 except one. In 1956, Missourians picked Adlai Stevenson over incumbent President Dwight Eisenhower. No other state has been that accurate.

The survey also asked respondents about Cheney and Kerry's running mate, Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina. Cheney was viewed favorably by 39 percent and unfavorably by 41 percent, while 20 percent had no opinion.

Edwards was seen favorably by 51 percent and unfavorably by 20 percent, while 29 percent said they did not know.

Looking back at the disputed 2000 presidential election, 49 percent of Missouri respondents said the election had been correctly decided while 43 percent said the election had not been. Nine percent were undecided.

Asked to name the most serious international problem facing the country, 34 percent said terrorism, 26 percent said Iraq and 20 percent said the world economy and jobs.

On national issues, 31 percent cited health care as the most serious concern and 23 percent said the national economy and jobs. Eleven percent said education was the top issue, and another 11 percent identified homeland security.

Other questions:

• Asked which best described how they feel about the direction of the country, 45 percent said “worried,” 32 percent said “optimistic,” 12 percent said “angry” and 8 percent said “satisfied.” Three percent said they were unsure.

• Asked if their family was better off financially now or a year ago, 47 percent said the situation was the same, while 26 percent said they were better off and an identical 26 percent said they were worse off. Two percent were unsure.

• 60 percent said the economy was either very or fairly good while 39 percent said it was fairly or very bad. Two percent were unsure.

To reach Steve Kraske, political correspondent, call (816) 234-4312 or send e-mail to skraske@kcstar.com.




© 2004 Kansas City Star and wire service sources. All Rights Reserved.
http://www.kansascity.com



TOPICS: Extended News; Politics/Elections; US: Missouri; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: bush; cheney; edwards; kerry; missouri
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This is better than Zogby, but Bush must take Mo.

To realize that you are in trouble, you can change plans.

If the election was held today, which would be unconstitutional, it would be at least Kerry 282, Bush 218. I have no idea what Tennessee and Florida would be. Which is better than yesterday.

I hope Rove have something up his sleeves, because this Bush campaign is one or the worst I've seen. I'm hitting the panic button. People forgot 9/11.

1 posted on 07/22/2004 12:09:08 PM PDT by COURAGE
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To: COURAGE

I hope you don't take this the wrong way, but my three-year old has a stronger firmness of conviction than you. Grow a spine!


2 posted on 07/22/2004 12:10:46 PM PDT by Coop (In memory of a true hero - Pat Tillman)
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To: Corin Stormhands

I forgot to compliment you yesterday on your Grim FReeper tag for our friend here. :-)


3 posted on 07/22/2004 12:11:36 PM PDT by Coop (In memory of a true hero - Pat Tillman)
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To: Coop

It would be a cook screen name...


4 posted on 07/22/2004 12:13:47 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (I'm going on vacation in 8 days...)
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To: COURAGE
but Bush must take Mo.

No, he mustn't.

5 posted on 07/22/2004 12:14:16 PM PDT by Coop (In memory of a true hero - Pat Tillman)
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To: COURAGE

Don't believe the liberal Kansas City Star. It may or may not be true. All you know is that this is what they want you to think is true today.


6 posted on 07/22/2004 12:15:19 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: Corin Stormhands
It would be a cook screen name...

Not really. Betty Crocker or Chef BoyRD would be good cook screen names. :-)

7 posted on 07/22/2004 12:17:09 PM PDT by Coop (In memory of a true hero - Pat Tillman)
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To: COURAGE

On election day: Bush=57%, Kerry=40%, Nader=3%. Go back to sleep, my friend, us big guys will take care of things!


8 posted on 07/22/2004 12:18:02 PM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
The past two polls show Bush behind.







 

                      

Missouri 2004 Polls

Presidential Race - 11 Electoral College Votes

Poll | Date
Sample
MoE
Bush
Kerry
Nader
Spread
2000 Vote
600 R
4.0
44
46
-
Kerry +2
Bush +4
n/a
3.3
46.8
50.1
0.7
Kerry +3.3
-
755 L
3.6
48%
46
-
Bush +2
-
n/a
5.0
48
44
-
Bush +4
-
n/a
3.1
48.6
47.9
1.0
Bush +0.8
-
566 R
4.0
48
37
5
Bush +11
-
n/a
2.7
48.6
47.6
0.9
Bush +1
-
n/a
5.0
44
43
-
Bush +1
-
n/a
4.3
43.9
47.2
2.1
Kerry +3.3
-
500 L
4.5
49
42
-
Bush +7
-

Key: R = Registered Voters, L = Likely Voters, A = Adults

RCP Polling Information

9 posted on 07/22/2004 12:18:16 PM PDT by COURAGE (A charter member of the Grim FReeper Club)
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To: COURAGE

Don't Panic.

In Missouri, not only will Bush carry it, but it will be by a large margin. How can I be so sure, you ask? Well, it's because it looks like Bob Holden will hold off Claire McCaskill in the primary. The Republicans could replace Matt Blunt with a dustbunny and beat Holden by 10 points. The reverse coattails of Blunt will swing another 5 points to Bush easily.


10 posted on 07/22/2004 12:21:50 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: COURAGE

11 posted on 07/22/2004 12:22:17 PM PDT by Coop (In memory of a true hero - Pat Tillman)
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To: Coop
Wait a second here - While we don't have to be in panic mode (I'll agree with that) -

Your notion that GWB doesn't have to take MO to win is either just playing the devils advocate (for the purpose of doing it) 0r you are being naive -

If GWB doesn't win MO - he will not win in NOV - period. I got a dime to drop with you on that - if you want to bet.

Also coop - at what point in this election cycle will you agree that GWB "could" be in some trouble?? -

Does there ever come a point that GWB would need to change somethings or he would lose? - or do you simply continue to run the same type campaign come hell or high-water (like his father did) regardless if it bring defeat?? -

I know of no military mind that would simply keep using the same procedures for the purpose of not changing - with little regard for the outcomes -

The GOP owns the Senate, the House, more State Gov's and more State houses then the DEM's - The fact showing when we get our message out we win!! -

Yet GWB continues to find himself in a life and death struggle with a washed up, 20 year, liberal NE senator that couldn't have won any other Presidential election in American History -

There comes a point when you are tied or losing to a fool like this continually....that you say...WTF are we doing...we better find another option here -

12 posted on 07/22/2004 12:22:33 PM PDT by POA2
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To: Coop

oops


13 posted on 07/22/2004 12:23:42 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (I'm going on vacation in 8 days...)
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To: COURAGE
Yeah, but Zogby and Rassmussen have been at odds all along it looks like. So again, it depends on who and how you ask. Polls are guess-timates. And they are frequently manipulated.

I do not take at face value anything that comes from the liberal KCStar.

14 posted on 07/22/2004 12:23:50 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

Well, give em credit, they at least bothered to dig up 2 Bush supporters. In any case, love the +2 Bush lead is a 'tie' mantra, when a +2 Kerry lead is always just a 'lead'. And that guy from Cabool...that's Bush territory, but he sounds like the sort of sap that voted for Clinton twice and has a clean conscious. What a dupe.


15 posted on 07/22/2004 12:27:03 PM PDT by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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To: POA2
If GWB doesn't win MO - he will not win in NOV - period.

Baloney. Assuming the current circumstances carried forward to November, Bush could easily lose MO, but win PA. Or lose MO and PA, but win MI, NM, WI and OR. Yes, historically MO has been a bellwether, but historically the White House loses seats in 2002... historically the total vote winner also wins the electoral college.

This gloom 'n doom, carrying on about changing courses because you perceive Bush to be in trouble, it's rather laughable. He's got a 2:1 advantage of cash-in-hand, a +14 electoral vote advantage over 2000, he has strong likeability ratings, he's running against a weak candidate with tons of skeletons, the lying charges that drove his numbers down have been proven false, and he hasn't even seriously started his campaign yet [starts after the convention].

HE'S NOT LOSING!

There. I feel much better now.

16 posted on 07/22/2004 12:30:34 PM PDT by Coop (In memory of a true hero - Pat Tillman)
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To: COURAGE
... because this Bush campaign is one or the worst I've seen. I'm hitting the panic button.

When in worry,
Or in doubt,
Run around,
Scream and shout

17 posted on 07/22/2004 12:31:47 PM PDT by curmudgeonII
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To: COURAGE
Absolutely no way is Missouri 39% DemonCrat, 38% Republican. Kansas City itself may work out that way. St. Louis is about 99.9999987% Democrat, .0000013% Republican (some dude named Murray, in Hazelwood, I believe), give or take a few percentage points. The vast majority of the state outside those two metropolitan areas is strongly Republican (which amounts to about 50% of the state population).

Bear in mind the source. The Star is perhaps the worst paper in the United States today, bar none. It's a far-left, race-baiting, socialist agenda-pushing waste of wood pulp staffed by editors who would be far more at home in the old Politburo than in the midwest (with the exception of McClanahan). I wouldn't be surprised if they pulled the same sort of polling "technique" that got the LA Times is trouble awhile back. After all, this is a paper that employs Jason Whitlock and Lewis Diuguid, so good journalism and fact-based reporting obviously aren't important to them.

None of this is to say Bush doesn't have a fight on his hands in Missouri. But all in all, if the Star is saying it's this close, I don't think it's panic time. If the Star said it was Kerry 68-32, then I'd figure it was really a close race. As it is, I'd bet Bush would win today by 4 or 5 points.

18 posted on 07/22/2004 12:31:49 PM PDT by Jokelahoma (Animal testing is a bad idea. They get all nervous and give wrong answers.)
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To: POA2
Does there ever come a point that GWB would need to change somethings or he would lose? - or do you simply continue to run the same type campaign come hell or high-water (like his father did) regardless if it bring defeat?? -

The pompous negativist theme running through so many of your your posts on this issue is becoming tiresome. How many improbable election victories do Bush and Rove have to win until you keening doom and gloomer types realize that they know what in the hell they're doing? They have a proven track record of winning. Period. Tell us, how many winning campaigns have you run from behind the comfy anonymity of your computer keyboard?

19 posted on 07/22/2004 12:34:51 PM PDT by AHerald
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To: POA2; COURAGE
There comes a point when you are tied or losing to a fool like this continually....that you say...WTF are we doing...we better find another option here -

Correct! But IMHO, this is not that point, yet...what would happen if Kerry suddenly let out out a big scream in the middle of his overly-excited acceptance speech? LOL! (well, it could happen!!)

IOW, I think it's wise to let events play out a bit for now...after all, isn't the Dim convention all about "introducing Kerry to America"? I wouldn't presume America is going to love what they see the better they get to "know" him...and why should the GOP go "negative" when there's a good chance Kerry will take care of that all by himself?

Caveat: it is important that election fraud in St. Louis is prevented, and as well that "shadow groups" like MoveOn and etc. are exposed to public scrutiny as much as possible. "Just the facts"...like, "how do you feel about a Soros-Kerry-Edwards ticket?" ;)

20 posted on 07/22/2004 12:37:37 PM PDT by 88keys
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