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Sandy Berger’s Heavy Lifting
NRO ^ | 7/21/04 | Byron York

Posted on 07/21/2004 6:09:46 AM PDT by Nasty McPhilthy

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To: Tallguy

Your analysis seems to be the best explanation that I've seen - especially regarding any hand written pieces in the original file.


21 posted on 07/21/2004 6:58:06 AM PDT by ninonitti
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To: dead

Good post, thanks.


22 posted on 07/21/2004 7:02:56 AM PDT by pointsal
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To: Tallguy

The question of whether Berger took home original documents (indicating he was seeking to purge the record) or copies (indicating he was merely careless and/or sneaky with homework) has become muddled. As a matter of fact, it's muddled in a way that makes Berger look especially shady. According to John Solomon's original AP story, Berger attorney Lanny Breuer, "said Berger believed he was looking at copies of the classified documents, not originals." Translated from the indirect dialect, that means Berger did take home originals, and may or may not have done so innocently.

The tale of the other documents is also interesting: Somebody familiar with classification protocols can make the decision about whether a former national security advisor (presumably a person with a very high security clearance) should have to shoplift his own notes on national security. House rules or no, it's another indignity for a man who couldn't even do wrong right.


23 posted on 07/21/2004 7:09:28 AM PDT by Nasty McPhilthy (When the levy breaks…..there’ll be no place to run.)
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To: Nasty McPhilthy
" Berger's admission that he hid the notes in his clothing is a clear sign of intent to conceal his actions. "

Did he admit hiding them in his clothes? I've been out of pocket and didn't read that.

24 posted on 07/21/2004 7:11:23 AM PDT by bayourod (Kerry, the human downer, knows the words to "optimism" but can't quite get the tune right.)
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To: Tallguy
and I'm betting that the earlier drafts may not have been copied, possibly only the final one exists in duplicate. Therefore scarfing up the original drafts would go a long way toward preserving the Clinton testimony to the 9/11 commission.

BINGO! I think you're exactly right. And, if we find out that the missing documents are one or more of these iterations, THAT will be the reason Berger took them.

25 posted on 07/21/2004 7:26:51 AM PDT by sinkspur (There's no problem on the inside of a kid that the outside of a dog can't cure.)
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To: Nasty McPhilthy
(There was no surveillance camera in the room in which Berger worked with the documents, meaning there is no videotape record of the incidents.)

I had read this yesterday in a different article (obviously) but couldn't find it again. Making note for future reference.

26 posted on 07/21/2004 7:29:09 AM PDT by cyncooper ("We will fear no evil...And we will prevail")
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To: bayourod

If each copy of the millenium report was fifteen to twenty pages, it is immpossible for a page or two to "inadvertantly" get mixed in with notes. He zeroed in on this document, went back again and zeroed in, it is a large document. He had criminal intent. He is also stupid. But I wondered why the staff of the archives set up a sting and then told justice. Seems like justice should have been told immediately. And it also makes me wonder, how many other people went in and took Documents. I also read that Bruce Lindsay was in charge of picking the docs to give to the commission,,did anyone else hear that?


27 posted on 07/21/2004 7:30:01 AM PDT by cajungirl (wi)
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To: pulaskibush; Libertina

Byron York also reports, no cameras in the room. It's not the same article I read yesterday, but it looks like the reporting was solid: No tape.


28 posted on 07/21/2004 7:32:29 AM PDT by cyncooper ("We will fear no evil...And we will prevail")
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29 posted on 07/21/2004 7:44:38 AM PDT by sissyjane (You're either with us or against us.)
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To: Tallguy
It is not clear how many copies of the report exist. Nor is it clear why Berger was so focused on the document. If he simply wanted a copy, it seems that taking just one would have been sufficient.

Not if the memos were of different revisions.

Exactly! It's not clear that other copies of every draft are available. Also, it's not even clear how many actually unique revisions of the documents existed. Someone might have changed content within the document but not changed the cover pages or date so as to conceal the fact that changes had been made. Presumably neither the archivists or anyone else had done a line-by-line comparison of each draft, but Berger made have ascertained via multiple visits to the archives and he may have known which copies were where. He had time to look around and confer with associates about who had which versions. So he may have gone back to the archives to get specific documents after ascertaining which specific documents were still around.

Political pressure might have been brought to bear to expunge sensitive information from earlier drafts. Berger would know that, and he would also know that he could get in a lot of trouble for stealing the documents from the archives. But he did it anyway. Berger was caught with a smoking gun.

30 posted on 07/21/2004 7:52:02 AM PDT by dano1
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"Berger would know that, and he would also know that he could get in a lot of trouble for stealing the documents from the archives. But he did it anyway. Berger was caught with a smoking gun."

I also read that he put some documents in a leather briefcase besides hiding some in his clothing. He calls this being sloppy! I call it treason.

Slick made a CYA statement today on Fox saying that on the way over - he was laughing about this. He said that anyone who knows Berger and has been to his office always finds him under his papers.

Slick's statement says a lot about the kind of person he picked for a national security position. One thing for sure is that the Slick crowd can be counted on to do whatever it takes to decieve and connive to keep from going to prison.

31 posted on 07/21/2004 8:12:05 AM PDT by LADY J
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There was no surveillance camera in the room in which Berger worked with the documents, meaning there is no videotape record of the incidents.

This is the first I have heard of this... Every grocery, bank, 7/11 in America has video cameras, why in the world aren't there video cameras in the most confidential room in the world!!! Helloooo????

And anyone who believes that FatBerger didn't know exactly what he was doing needs to have their head examined!!!

FatBerger needs to be grilled and inadvertently indicted! PERIOD!
32 posted on 07/21/2004 8:23:32 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1/5 1st Mar Div. Nam 69&70 Semper Fi http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com)
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To: dano1

Berger was caught stuffing "hand written notes" into his pants/socks/jacket.

What is not made clear is if these were his own notes or was he stealing the comment notes made by others that were attached to the documents during their circulation.

He also stole entire documents, maybe because they had been commented in the body of the work instead of by attachment.

This makes sense to me, he appears to have been sanitizing the report by stripping out anything derogotary to the clinton regime.


33 posted on 07/21/2004 8:39:28 AM PDT by Wil H
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This is the first I have heard of this... Every grocery, bank, 7/11 in America has video cameras, why in the world aren't there video cameras in the most confidential room in the world!!! Helloooo????

Come now! As a former-Marine you must surely know that the government is the last to implement any new technology. Seriously, cameras in a secure-reading room might be used to resolve what is actually on the page being read. Bad idea. Gotta have that compartmentalized security, ya know.

What I'd like to know is why Sandy Berger was permitted to take a briefcase into the Reading Room. I've done contracting work at the US Mint and I can tell you THAT is absolutely not allowed (plus you get a 'wand-job' on the way out).

34 posted on 07/21/2004 8:40:08 AM PDT by Tallguy
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To: cajungirl
The archive people contacted Lindsey when they first suspected Berglur was taking documents. And then we have this:
Bush Aides Block Clinton's Papers From 9/11 Panel

The general counsel of Mr. Clinton's presidential foundation, Bruce Lindsey, who was his deputy White House counsel, said in an interview that he was concerned that the Bush administration had applied a "very legalistic approach to the documents" and might have blocked the release of material that would be valuable to the commission.

Mr. Lindsey said he first complained to the commission in February after learning from the archives that the Bush administration had withheld so many documents.

"I voiced a concern that the commission was making a judgment on an incomplete record," he said. "I want to know why there is a 75 percent difference between what we were ready to produce and what was being produced to the commission."

I want to know:

1) Why they contacted Lindsey and
2) Why they allowed him to leave with the documents.

35 posted on 07/21/2004 8:57:10 AM PDT by hobson
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To: Wil H

The hand written notes were the dodge, if he got caught well they were just my notes. Figuring the people wouldn't have even noticed the extra papers stuffed in the briefcase. Second, why is he even allowed to bring an attache case into a secure room like that. Makes no sense, no notes allowed, can't take anything out, etc. Another case of two sets of rules


36 posted on 07/21/2004 8:59:40 AM PDT by sharkhawk (I want to go to St. Somewhere)
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To: Tallguy
What I'd like to know is why Sandy Berger was permitted to take a briefcase into the Reading Room

He should not have been allowed to carry his briefcase into the reading room.
37 posted on 07/21/2004 9:04:50 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1/5 1st Mar Div. Nam 69&70 Semper Fi http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com)
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To: hobson
I want to know:

1) Why they contacted Lindsey and
2) Why they allowed him (Berger) to leave with the documents.

Good questions. Professional courtesy? The documents went missing in October (2003) but the FBI wasn't involved until January? Perhaps the Archivists were giving Berger a chance to 'come clean', and when he wasn't forthcoming they decided to contact the FBI and wash their hands of it. Perhaps someone on the 9/11 Commission requested one of the documents in question....and low & behold the Archivists couldn't produce it. Busted!

It IS interesting that Mr. Bruce Lindsay knows A LOT MORE about the specifics than the investigators at this point, since he was involved before they were and may have been directing this whole Op on Clinton's behalf.

We'll know soon enough...

38 posted on 07/21/2004 9:18:31 AM PDT by Tallguy
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To: Tallguy

Finally someone gets it! ... the 'why' would Berger steal so many 'copies' of the same memo. There must have been some very damning mrginal notes on those copies that circulated among the criminal clintoons.


39 posted on 07/21/2004 9:19:20 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Nasty McPhilthy

Here comes the cover-up...DON'T THEY EVER LEARN.


40 posted on 07/21/2004 9:20:45 AM PDT by Hildy ( If you don't stand up for what's RIGHT, you'll settle for what's LEFT.)
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