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It is unbelievable that these 14 "musicians" were even permitted to board the flight, let alone wander around the aircraft acting suspiciously. Our undercover Feds would have done well to restrain them in shackles until the aircraft landed and they could be given a thorough interrogation. Might make the next batch of "dry-runners" think twice.
1 posted on 07/21/2004 12:06:00 AM PDT by Minutemen
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To: Minutemen
After they landed they should have whisked them off to a private location and done whatever was necessary to get them to talk.
2 posted on 07/21/2004 12:25:56 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Do Chernobyl restaurants serve Curied chicken?)
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I hope they are watching and listening to these bastards. Isn't this what the Patriot Act is for? These dudes were up to something. Also, I thought you would get in big trouble these days for wandering around the plane when you were supposed to be sitting.


3 posted on 07/21/2004 12:31:25 AM PDT by beaversmom (Michael Medved has the Greatest radio show on GOD's Green Earth)
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There is no doubt that something out of the ordinary happened on Northwest Airlines Flight 327 from Detroit to Los Angeles on June 29. The plane was met at the airport by squads of federal agents and police responding to radio messages from the pilots about concerns that 14 Middle Eastern male passengers had spent the four-hour flight acting suspiciously.

But was the episode a dry run for a terrorist attack, as is now being widely suggested on the Internet and on talk radio, or an aborted terrorist attack? Or was it an innocent sequence of events that some passengers, overcome by anxiety and perhaps ethnic stereotyping, misinterpreted as a plot to blow up their plane?

The story of Flight 327 was first told in a 3,300-word online article, "Terror in the Skies, Again?" by Annie Jacobsen, a 37-year-old freelance writer from Los Angeles. Ms. Jacobsen's report was published last Tuesday on a Web site for women, www.womenswallstreet.com. It is compelling reading.

I have since spoken at length with Ms. Jacobsen, and also with an official of the Federal Air Marshal Service, who confirmed the gist of Ms. Jacobsen's narrative, if not her interpretation.

On June 29, Ms. Jacobsen; her husband, Kevin; and their 41/2-year-old son were returning home from a family visit in Rhode Island when they boarded a connecting flight in Detroit, Northwest 327. While boarding, both she and her husband became aware of a group of six men of Middle Eastern appearance who followed them on board. One wore a large orthopedic shoe. Two carried what appeared to be small musical instrument cases. One wore a yellow T-shirt and was carrying a big McDonald's sack.

As the Jacobsens settled into their seats, they watched a second group of Middle Eastern men board. These men were in communication with the first group "absolutely from the get-go," Ms. Jacobsen said. Furthermore, she said, "they all seemed to be checking in with the guy in the yellow shirt," who was sitting across the aisle from her.

Mr. Jacobsen, 38, who is the president of an import-and-design company as well as an actor in television commercials, was already feeling uneasy. "When I first got on the flight, my instincts said that something was wrong,'' he recalled. "I did turn to my wife and say, 'We must get off this flight.' " He didn't follow through on that, however, because he didn't want to create a commotion based on a whim, he said.

In great detail, Ms. Jacobsen's article describes the "unusual activity" the men engaged in during the flight. Other passengers and the flight attendants became alerted to it, also. Ignoring the "fasten seat belt'' signs, the men went frequently and in succession to the lavatories, and congregated near the galleys in pairs or threesomes. The man in the yellow shirt gave her a "cold, defiant look" when she caught his eye, she said.

About two hours into the flight, with tension building, her husband decided to approach a flight attendant with his suspicions. The flight attendant said the crew were already aware of the odd behavior, including the fact that parcels like the McDonald's bag were carried into the lavatories.

"She said I was 'right on schedule' with what I was feeling was happening, that she was aware of it, that they were passing notes to each other, that the pilots were aware of it, and that there were people on board who are 'higher up than you or me' that were watching them," Mr. Jacobsen said. He presumed, correctly, that this was a reference to undercover federal air marshals.

Later, as the plane was in its final approach to Los Angeles, at the stage of a flight when even the flight attendants are strapped into their seats, "suddenly, seven of the men stood up in unison," Ms. Jacobsen said. Some walked toward the back lavatories and some toward the front. Two stood by the aircraft door. The flight attendants remained silent, she said.

"I don't have any words to explain how terrified I was" at that point, said Mr. Jacobsen, who added that he clutched a pen in his hand to use as a weapon, while thinking: "I hope I'm not the only one who will react. I hope I don't choke and get scared."

Then the plane landed without a problem. Waiting at the door were officers from the Federal Air Marshal Service, the F.B.I., the T.S.A. and the Los Angeles Police Department. The 14 men were questioned at length and released. The Jacobsens also were questioned for over an hour.

Yesterday, a Federal Air Marshal Service spokesman, Dave Adams, a law enforcement officer for 30 years, said that the suspicious characters on Flight 327 were musicians. The man in the yellow shirt was a drummer, he said.


4 posted on 07/21/2004 1:00:22 AM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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We may find some day that we can no longer carry bags of any sort into the restroom on flights.

While some could argue that they need a shaving kit, aren't razors prohibited items these days?

I'm sure that I might have been bothered by a large group of passengers who moved about the plane a lot (if nothing else, it makes stewardess service difficult and can lead to a lot of bumping people in the aisle seats).

Reading this article, I see nothing especially unusual about the incident (apart from raising the suspicions of passengers and the air crew). If the man in the yellow shirt was the tour leader (if not band leader), they may have felt obligated to talk to him about their plans for their final destination.

Passing notes can be serious or nothing.

For what it is worth, James Woods reported seeing a dry run for the 9/11/2001 flights.


5 posted on 07/21/2004 1:10:02 AM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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Another possible explanation: it was a dry run planned by the government to see how crew and passengers would react, and if all their reactive measures were in place and functioning.


7 posted on 07/21/2004 1:17:46 AM PDT by Cincinna (Beware the RED QUEEN)
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What an absolute waste of time of an article. The writer asks a question and then fails to attempt to answer it. Readers would have been better served with a link to the original -- at least that one featured thorough research and gripping delivery.
 
The Times plainly, frankly, sucks.

8 posted on 07/21/2004 1:18:59 AM PDT by AnnaZ ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." :::Hillar(ed)y!::: 6/28/04)
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I am I the only one who feels like I need to take a shower after reading anything in the NY Slimes?


9 posted on 07/21/2004 1:27:43 AM PDT by twntaipan (demonRATs ARE the friends of our enemies, which makes demoRATs our... (finish the sentence).)
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I dunno...looks too obvious to me.
A decoy...a head-fake of some sort.


19 posted on 07/21/2004 5:36:15 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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The "authorities checked ALL possible data bases" and appear to have just blown off off this incident based on "no known records"? This doesn't make sense. Not all criminals/terrorists HAVE records...((ya think the tango's are going to use people on the watch list to do a dry run on an airline???))

On the other hand, we don't know what Security/Intel agencies are doing regarding this matter..maybe there are now 14 new faces on the watch list. Security/Intel is NOT going to share their professional conclusions with us citizens.

" at that point, said Mr. Jacobsen, who added that he clutched a pen in his hand to use as a weapon--"

There is something very sad about the mental image this statement invokes.

22 posted on 07/21/2004 8:44:35 AM PDT by two23
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Move along, nothing to see here.

It's just an isolated incident.


23 posted on 07/21/2004 9:02:16 AM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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As I posted on another thread, has anyone else on this flight given interviews? A lot of people witnessed this, but these two seem to be the only ones speaking up. How about the people sitting near the guy with the McDonald's bag? Maybe he actually ate the food and then threw the trash out in the bathroom.

I confess to being riveted by the story to the very end, when it was revealed that nothing happened and they were just musicians. Jacobsen almost seemed disappointed, so she had to make the strange claim that al Qaeda doubles as a music school.

Though I don't have the utmost confidence in the FBI, I feel fairly certain that they called the casino and confirmed that these guys were scheduled to play and that they sent an agent to make sure they showed up.

26 posted on 07/21/2004 10:33:38 AM PDT by creepycrawly
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The creeps at the Times couldn't dredge up enough to attack this woman as being a racist hatemonger, so they're having to settle for attacking her for just being paranoid. This despite that absolutely nobody has any idea whatsoever what these guys were up to, if anything.


27 posted on 07/21/2004 10:39:38 AM PDT by jpl ("America's greatest chapter is still to be written, for the best is yet to come." - Ronald W. Reagan)
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Syrian musicians. Have any of us ever seen any concert listing describing musicians from the Middle East? If ever there was a flimsy cover story, this is it. I'd love to see them assembled together and asked to play a song.


28 posted on 07/21/2004 10:47:32 AM PDT by Plutarch
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