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To: BILL_C

What I have been missing in these theories is why foreign terrorists would participate in the OKC and TWA800 attacks but then fail to claim credit and threaten more of the same or worse. I haven't been following the discussions on these theories in any detail, so I may have missed the explanation. Can you fill me in on the thinking on that question?


67 posted on 07/20/2004 9:19:40 PM PDT by SFConservative
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To: SFConservative

What I have been missing in these theories is why foreign terrorists would participate in the OKC and TWA800 attacks but then fail to claim credit and threaten more of the same or worse.




I don't have "The Third Terrorist" in front of me now, but I believe I remember 8 organizatins claimed credit.

The important fact is that credit was claimed.

But even more incredible is that Jayna says that the Iraqis that were involved were cheering in front of American workers and they obviously didn't care they were seen.

Oh yes, she notes they were cheering Sadaham!

I believe this is on the WARROOM interview from 4-20-04. Go to about 1 hour 20 minutes and listen to Jayna and David Shippers.


72 posted on 07/20/2004 9:31:19 PM PDT by BILL_C
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To: SFConservative
What I have been missing in these theories is why foreign terrorists would participate in the OKC and TWA800 attacks but then fail to claim credit and threaten more of the same or worse. I haven't been following the discussions on these theories in any detail, so I may have missed the explanation. Can you fill me in on the thinking on that question?

That has been my question as well, but I think the answer may be that (according to this conspiracy theory) that it was Iraq and not a terrorist group that were in on OKC and TWA800. A terrorist group like AQ is proud to claim responsibility (like 9/11) since they can hide in caves. A country like Iraq certainly wouldn't want to take public credit. Saddam would have been asking for a nuke down his smokestack. Clinton wanted re-election, so there was a tacit agreement, perhaps, between Clinton and Saddam? So then Bush and company come into office. Shortly after, Bush learns the truth, and, yes, starts planning to take out Saddam out. Saddam then welcomes the 9/11 attack by AQ thinking the heat is off him and on to OBL. But only for so long.

This might explain why Bush was reluctant to have a 9/11 commission or testify or have Rice testify before it. Perhaps he was afraid the trail would go back to the OKC/TWA/Iraq connection. As someone else suggested, he may be trying to protect the Presidency, not Clinton.

I have always felt that there was MORE to going into Iraq than we were being told. I thought once we got in there we'd find out what that was. I thought maybe we were protecting sources or not tipping our hand as to what all we knew. So far the other shoe hasn't dropped, so I have been still thinking that there has to be something more to it than we've seen thus far. Yes, it's a conspiracy theory, but it's a lot more likely than the democrat lunatic theories.

82 posted on 07/20/2004 9:50:22 PM PDT by GLDNGUN (.)
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To: SFConservative

> why foreign terrorists would participate in the OKC and TWA800 attacks but then fail to claim credit

If they noticed that the Clinton administration was covering for them, why would they blow that cover right away? They could get more done if they kept quiet about it.


103 posted on 07/21/2004 5:14:22 AM PDT by old-ager
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To: SFConservative; BILL_C
What I have been missing in these theories is why foreign terrorists would participate in the OKC and TWA800 attacks but then fail to claim credit and threaten more of the same or worse. I haven't been following the discussions on these theories in any detail, so I may have missed the explanation. Can you fill me in on the thinking on that question?

Let me try for you. And Bill_C, please consider adding this bit of explanatory theory to your own.

Laurie Mylroie has documented that Iraqis were involved in the first World Trade Center bombing in 1993. Now, it is possible that the Clinton administration never figured this out, but that is not necessary to carry the theory forward.

That WTC bombing failed. However, Iraq was determined to bring down those towers. They knew that a van full of explosives would not do it. So they had to experiment with other ways to bring down a large building.

The Murrah Building bomb was a test bombing, to see if a bomb powerful enough to bring down a building could be stuffed into an innocuous looking small truck that could be driven into lower Manhattan. But this bomb, too, failed to bring down the building. This is why we have seen no more truck bombings in the U.S. And why the Iraqis did not take credit for the OKC bombing.

So, what to do next? What else could produce an explosive powerful enough to bring down the World Trade Center?

Perhaps an exploding jumbo jet? Al Qaeda terrorists in Asia had been plotting for a while to bomb several jets and even try crashng one into the CIA. The Iraqi intelligence got this information and began planning a test bombing of a plane to see what the explosive power would be. They even asked Al Qaeda to do it for them. Al Qaeda was happy to oblige. This was TWA 800. It was a success. (I happen to believe there was a bomb on the plane rather than a missle fired at it.) It was bombed close to shore so that lots of data on the explosion would be available. Again, no one takes credit because this was only a test for the real thing.

Next, they needed to see if they could get a pilot to deliberately crash an airplane. They did, on the Egypt Air flight that crashed in New York Harbor.

So, all the tests had been run to show that the World Trade Center towers could be brought down by training suicide pilots to crash airplanes into the towers. All that was needed was to find the hijacking teams, train them (which I believe was done at the Salman Pak training camp in Iraq) and let them go.

And Iraq got the ultimate payback on the U.S. for the 1991 Gulf War. And by using Al Qaeda to carry out the attack, Saddam Hussein's fingerprints were not on it. Al Qaeda thought it would benefit by the astonishing exercise of its power which would help it attract new recruits and funding. And, of course, all of them assumed that the U.S. government would do nothing, because Bill Clinton did nothing after all of their previous test attacks.

118 posted on 07/21/2004 9:52:28 AM PDT by Dems_R_Losers (Proud to be a Reagan Alumna!)
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To: SFConservative

Sadam did not want his fingerprints of OKC for obvious reasons....


141 posted on 07/21/2004 7:00:55 PM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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