Now they do not look the other way, the UN cheers and rants against the Jews.
Posted on 07/20/2004 5:33:14 AM PDT by NZerFromHK
"And among those nations you shall find no rest, nor shall the sole of your foot have a resting place; but there the LORD will give you a trembling heart, failing eyes, and anguish of soul. Your life shall hang in doubt before you; you shall fear day and night, and have no assurance of life." - Deuteronomy 28:65-66
Pray for the Jewish people's plights. This is one of the least of all duties God has commanded to all of us Christians all over the world, whether it be New Zealand, Hong Kong, the United States, Norway, or South Africa, and resist the satanic temptation of anti-Semitism.
In making Israel a pariah nation, New Zealanders should recall the time that someone attempted to do it to them. African nations boycotted the 1976 Olympics in Montreal because of the Olympic Committee's refusal to ban the New Zealand team from participating. Why? A New Zealand soccer team had competed in then apartheid South Africa. For that they wanted to put the whole nation under the ban.
I doubt it. New Zealand's a wonderful country, and Kiwis in general are beaut people, but the chattering classes have a cultural cringe mentality which prompts this attention-seeking assertiveness. Hopefully Australia's a little more confident and mature.
I read stuff like this and it scares me. My first thought is that "good men (and women) did nothing."
Prayers up for the Jewish people everywhere, especially Israel.
Now they do not look the other way, the UN cheers and rants against the Jews.
Oh I agree. The bad news is, given that many New Zealanders are very well educated in general (read: standard American "liberalism") they actually believe in much of the British chattering class garbage that never made much impact on their British counterparts.
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It couldn't be the Babylonian captivity because it of the terms "all nations, from one end of the earth to the other".
Hey Pinko,
Nobody here wants your opinion.
Why should the government of Israel be put in the dock by NZ on no evidence?
People from various nations probably try to obtain fake NZ IDs everyday.
I don't see NZ breaking off relations with Nigeria, Russia, Indonesia or Taiwan, although I guarantee that far more than two nationals from each of those countries have tried to obtain NZ passports fraudulently.
In the absence of any evidence of espionage, there is clearly a double standard.
WHERE is the proof that ISRAEL instigated this?.
Wow, that's unbelievably, mindbendingly clever.
The Government of Israel has had 3 months to offer some cooperation....it has not provided any.
If a US citizen is arrested on some charge or other in a foreign country is the US obligated to "cooperate" with that country? Or can the US say: "Screw him, he's not an official representative of the US. If you want to prosecute him, go ahead."
Unless an American arrested abroad was (a) also wanted in the US or (b) arrested on false charges, the US normally has no formal participation in the proceedings. Why should Israel?
The "everybody does it" defense?...LOL.... Now that's "conservatism" at it finest.
That's a bait and switch argument.
If these two guys broke the law, then hold them accountable. It doesn't matter if others get away with it or not.
The question is: why has the NZ government singled out these criminals' home country for criticism? These are not the only foreign nationals who have committed crimes in NZ.
Surely you could provide such an example if it's as widespread a problem as you seem so confident it is.
Anyone who has any knowledge of Australia and NZ knows that their welfare state attracts thousands of illegal immigrants every year.
Try reading this investigative policy paper from the University of Wellington in NZ:
http://www.vuw.ac.nz/css/docs/working_papers/WP15.pdf
This case is still be investigated despite the non cooperation of the incarcerated Israelis and the Israeli government.
Why would people cooperate in their own prosecution for an offense they do not believe themselves guilty of?
Why would the Israeli government cooperate with an investigation that accuses it of wrongdoing on the basis of innuendo instead of hard evidence? This is just silly.
If evidence of espionage is found (I personally don't think they were spies BTW), the two criminals could still be tried on those charges, or any other charges which may come to the fore over the course of the investigation.
Of course they could. But I don't see why the Israeli government is obliged to help to implicate itself in espionage at NZ's request.
I'm sure you'll join me in hoping the other two perps are apphrehended, the matter at hand fully explained to the NZ authorities satsifaction, and national relationships restored.
I hope that any illegal activity receives just legal punishment and that the NZ government realizes that it is engaging in an unwarranted double standard and gives the Israeli government a deserved apology.
And the Mossad/espionage angle is just silly.
The Israeli government develops its intelligence agents in countries like NZ by recruiting native-born Jews a la Jonathan Pollard.
Not by sending native Israelis to try and illegally obtain passports.
If there were a native Israeli intelligence agent in NZ, he would have a legal visa and nominally be employed at a shipping company or other legitimate cover job.
An intelligence agent sneaking into a country and trying to buy a passport on the black market is strictly amateur hour.
His concerns are unwarranted. Only a few months earlier there was a similar (and possibly connected) case in Australia. Two Israelis were arrested in Byron Bay, NSW, and held on false passport charges. Unlike other foreigners guilty of such a serious offense, they were not subject to public scrutiny, and allowed to leave the country.
The Byron Bay Israelis were a group of young men of military age, who moved in and out of house which they were renting. The neighbors did not like them, describing them as strange and threatening. (There were strong hints, from the Federal Police, that they could have been on weapons charges, if anyone chose to prosecute.)
The local Jewish community at first denounced them, mistaking them for Arabs, and calling loudly for their trial on terrorism charges. Then it was found that they really were Jewish, so they got support. One of them is on an international arrest warrant, because he was implicated in the bombing of police station in Israel.
At the same time, another Israeli turned up in the Phillipines, and was arrested for a false passport (do they ever use their own?) and in possession of explosives. Then, the NZ case.
Were the two apprehended and convicted Israelis Mossad agents? Perhaps they were or perhaps they were just part of an organised criminal enterprise. Regardless, there was absolutely no necessity for Ms. Clark to create a major international diplomatic incident ...
There is every reason why she should be on her guard. This is serious stuff, serious problems.
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