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To: Diamond
Nothing comes from nothing.

You need to demonstrate this. It is not obvious and some physics theories disagree.

55 posted on 07/20/2004 11:57:03 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
You need to demonstrate this

The Greeks already did that. And still those theorists make off with nothing to stuff away in their pockets!

59 posted on 07/20/2004 5:16:06 PM PDT by cornelis
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To: Doctor Stochastic; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; Cornelius
You need to demonstrate this. It is not obvious and some physics theories disagree.

I stated the proposition the way I did because I was reminded of lyrics of the Rogers and Hammerstein song, "Something Good" from the "Sound of Music". Of course I cannot demonstrate a universal negative, in the way I phrased it, but the real issue is whether or not something can come out of absolute nothing, and the metaphysical intuition is that a negative answer seems obvious. Universal empirical observation indicates the same, as far as I know. If you were playing at the world championship of poker science and metaphysics, and you had to bet on it, which proposition would you bet is the more plausible truth?

I not sure to which physics theories you are referring, but I doubt whether they can validly contradict the causal principle. Alamo-Girl alluded to it. It can be expressed in the syllogism that
Whatever begins to exist has a cause.
The universe began to exist.
Therefore, the universe has a cause.

Cordially,

76 posted on 07/21/2004 8:28:50 AM PDT by Diamond
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