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I wrote this a couple weeks ago. Hope you find it interesting. I think it's important to know who we're fighting in this war against terrorism and that the Saudi's are really nothing close to an ally
1 posted on 07/17/2004 10:56:57 AM PDT by StevenAU
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To: StevenAU

bookmark


2 posted on 07/17/2004 11:06:01 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: StevenAU

Know thy enemy bump!


4 posted on 07/17/2004 11:38:24 AM PDT by True Capitalist
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To: StevenAU
"So we are unfortunately stuck in this hard place of having to fight terrorists in far away lands with no real end in sight."

What a terrible thought. I refuse to accept it, so consider this:

Even if Wahabististas were all exterminated overnight, a new babbatista pack would ooze from the nest within 24 hours. So what's the solution? Certainly not killing all islamists. But banishing them from civilized countries and putting them in quarantine for a few hundred years would give the world a breather and allow time for the 'lust for blood and virgins' gene to mutate into obscurity.

Who knows? Maybe they'll overcome their sexual repression and start treating their women folk properly.

The Cain Sanction will work.

The only thing that keeps islam going is the fact they are mobile and have their pick of infidels for their blood sacrifices. How long would islam last in isolation? Not long, I'm sure.

5 posted on 07/17/2004 11:38:30 AM PDT by Eastbound
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To: StevenAU

Your article also clearly indicates that not all Muslims are to be put in this category.

In fact, MOST Muslims are NOT Wahabi.

Freepers need to be more careful about making this kind of
distinction.


6 posted on 07/17/2004 11:40:40 AM PDT by newberger
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To: StevenAU

an apology for all the "good" muslims.


7 posted on 07/17/2004 11:42:37 AM PDT by eleven_eleven
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To: StevenAU
Very enlightening.

Welcome to FreeRepublic.

8 posted on 07/17/2004 11:54:08 AM PDT by knarf (A place where anyone can learn anything ... especially that which promotes clear thinking.)
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To: StevenAU; NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave; blam; SierraWasp; GeronL; SunkenCiv; Dog; Cap Huff; Coop; ...
Thanks for sharing this with us and welcome to Free Republic.

This is about the best , historical rendering of the origins and the implications of what is yet to come , I have seen.....
9 posted on 07/17/2004 1:14:30 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (New Linux SUSE Pro 9.1 user here.)
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To: StevenAU

Interesting piece. I noticed you mentioned the Sufis. They are to Wahabiism as ant-matter is to matter. The term "whirling dervishes" is based on western adventurer's accounts of persian sufi dancers in a state of ecstasy.

Its to bad the ME and persia couldn't have latched on to a more sensible side of Islam. Instead they of have chosen the road of self-destruction with Wahabiism. This barbaric and ruthless sect of Islam is growing like wildfire. Given the educational level and cultural tenants of the Arab and Persian worlds, its not suprising that this sect thrives.

This is a wonderful posting. I hope kids in highschools and colleges are being given a realistic picture of the enemy. We have the technology and the fire power to destroy this part of the world. There is a legitmate argument that in the right to self-preservation the taking of life is acceptable. However, most rational human beings will try and avoid the senseless destruction of human life. Even the kamikazes had millitary targets and the were HVTs at that. the wahabis throw away their own lives in the pursuit of destroying innocent men, women and children. We have a ruthless enemy and the old proxim "know thy enemy" counts as much today as it ever has. Excellent post.


16 posted on 07/17/2004 5:37:13 PM PDT by ChinaThreat
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To: JasonC

FYI


19 posted on 07/17/2004 8:18:36 PM PDT by secretagent
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To: StevenAU
Viewing the acts of commemorating dead holy men and praying to saints as unholy acts, the Wahhabists destroyed monuments and gravesites in the holy cities.

What are their thoughts on the Kabba stone/monument in Mecca?

20 posted on 07/17/2004 8:23:58 PM PDT by secretagent
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To: StevenAU

Nice work.


22 posted on 07/17/2004 8:55:21 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Sin Patria, pero sin amo)
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To: Valin; nuconvert

Heads up!


23 posted on 07/17/2004 8:55:47 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Sin Patria, pero sin amo)
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To: StevenAU

Bookmarked and bumped. Brilliant, brilliant article. It explains some things I previously didn't understand, particularly the jihadist statements about settling with the other Moslems who had abandoned the faith when the West was subdued.


27 posted on 07/17/2004 9:13:15 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men are ready to do violence on our behalf)
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pong


31 posted on 07/17/2004 9:40:09 PM PDT by nuconvert ( Some people can tell time by looking at the sun, but I've never been able to make out the numbers)
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To: StevenAU

BTTT


33 posted on 07/17/2004 11:07:31 PM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: StevenAU
Very nice paper. It isn't, of course, the particular doctrine that is so important as it is that this one is funded by the charity that is one of the Five Pillars of Islam, and that its benefactors are among the wealthiest individuals the world has ever known. Were it not for that the Wahhabis would be merely another anachronistic death cult, easily slapped down by the majority ulema whose doctrines they subvert.

It can't last. Their only hope of continuing their current state level of support is to hand the crown to Nayef (ibn Abdul Aziz al-Saud, to give his full name) over Crown Prince Abdullah. Nayef is the Interior Minister, who has already once attempted to use his Wahhabi connections to assume the status of heir apparent. He failed. He is also not only connected with the general Wahhabi infrastructure, but with its evil splinter al-Qaeda as well.

IMHO, either he or Abdullah will survive the next five years, but not both.

41 posted on 07/18/2004 4:42:21 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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From the website of Apostates of Islam:
"It is our belief that Islamic terrorism will not be eliminated unless and until the ideology behind it is not exposed and eradicated. This is what we intend to do."

We left Islam

Who we are:

We are ex-Muslims. Some of us were born and raised in Islam and some of us had converted to Islam at some moment in our lives. We were taught never to question the truth of Islam and to believe in Allah and his messenger with blind faith. We were told that Allah would forgive all sins but the sin of disbelief (Quran 4:48 and 4:116). But we committed the ultimate sin of thinking and questioned the belief that was imposed on us and we came to realize that far from being a religion of truth, Islam is a hoax, it is hallucination of a sick mind and nothing but lies and deceits.

What we believe:

Some of us have embraced other religions but most of us have simply left Islam without believing in any other religion. We believe in humanity. We believe that humans do not need to follow a religion to be good. All we need to follow is the Golden Rule. All we have to do is to treat others they way we expect to be treated. This is the essence of all the goodness. All good religious teachings stem from this eternal principle. This is the ultimate guidance humanity need. This is the Golden Rule.

Why Mohammed was not a prophet:

One who claims to be a messenger of God is expected to live a saintly life. He must not be given to lust, he must not be a sexual pervert, and he must not be a rapist, a highway robber, a war criminal, a mass murderer or an assassin. One who claims to be a messenger of God must have a superior character. He must stand above the vices of the people of his time. Yet Muhammad’s life is that of a gangster godfather. He raided merchant caravans, looted innocent people, massacred entire male populations and enslaved the women and children. He raped the women captured in war after killing their husbands and told his followers that it is okay to have sex with their captives and their “right hand possessions” (Quran 33:50) He assassinated those who criticized him and executed them when he came to power and became de facto despot of Arabia. Muhammad was bereft of human compassion. He was an obsessed man with his dreams of grandiosity and could not forgive those who stood in his way. Muhammad was a narcissist like Hitler, Saddam or Stalin. He was astute and knew how to manipulate people, but his emotional intelligence was less evolved than that of a 6-year-old child. He simply could not feel the pain of others. He brutally massacred thousands of innocent people and pillaged their wealth. His ambitions were big and as a narcissist he honestly believed he is entitled to do as he pleased and commit all sorts of crimes and his evil deeds are justified.

Why Quran is not from God:

Muhammad produced no miracles and when pressed he claimed that his miracle is the Quran. Yet a cursory look at the Quran reveals that this book is full of errors. Quran is replete with scientific heresies, historic blunders, mathematical mistakes, logical absurdities, grammatical errors and ethical fallacies. It is badly compiled and it contradicts itself. There is nothing intelligent in this book let alone miraculous. Muhammad challenged people to produce a “Surah like it” or find an error therein, yet Muslims would kill anyone who dares to criticize it. In such a climate of hypocrisy and violence truth is the first casualty.

What is our goal?

We are apostates of Islam. We denounce Islam as a false doctrine of hate and terror. However we are not against Muslims who are our own kin and relatives. We do not advocate hate and violence. Muslims are the main victims of Islam. Our goal is to educate them and let them see the truth. We are against Islam and not the Muslims. We strive to bring the Muslims into the fold of humanity. Eradicate Islam so our people can be liberated, so they can prosper and break away from the pillory of Islam. We would like to see Islamic countries dedicate more time to science and less time to Quran and Sharia. We would like to see them prosper and contribute to human civilization. We would like to see the draconian laws of Islam eliminated and people are treated humanely. We strive for freedom of beliefs, for equality of gender and for oneness of mankind.

Mankind’s biggest challenge:

Today the humanity is facing a great danger. Islamic fundamentalism is on the rise and the hatred is brewing in the minds of millions of Muslims. This hatred must be contained or there would be disastrous consequences. We believe that the education is the only answer. Muslim intellectuals must realize that Islam is a false doctrine and they must let the rest of Islamic world know the truth. Islam is a religion that thrives on the arrogant assumption that it is the most logical, the most scientific and the most perfect religion. While the fact is that it is the stupidest doctrine — the most backward and absurd belief. Once the truth about Islam becomes common knowledge, it will be weakened and the Islamic fanaticism will lose its fangs. Hundreds of billions of dollars are being expended to combat Islamic terrorism, yet no effort is made to contain the ideology behind this terrorism. It is our belief that Islamic terrorism will not be eliminated unless and until the ideology behind it is not exposed and eradicated. This is what we intend to do.

* * *

The Apostates of Islam

http://www.apostatesofislam.com/main.htm


42 posted on 07/18/2004 5:18:42 PM PDT by OK
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