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Mark Steyn: Flying While Arab
Steyn Online ^ | July 16, 2004 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 07/16/2004 6:28:10 PM PDT by quidnunc

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To: Valin
Did you ever stop to think that Detroit, Michigan has one of the largest populations of Arab-Americans in the nation?

They had Syrian passports.

61 posted on 07/16/2004 9:40:54 PM PDT by KMG365
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To: The Libertarian Dude

I didn't socks with my boots and refused to take them off figuring I would have to get searched. About four agents mysteriously appeared *LOL*


62 posted on 07/16/2004 9:43:26 PM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: quidnunc; MarMema
Ms Rowley and her colleagues established that Moussaoui was on a French intelligence watch list, had ties to radical Islamist groups, was known to have recruited young Muslims to fight in Chechnya, and had been in Afghanistan and Pakistan immediately before arriving in the US.

Well... if Moussaoui "was known to have recruited young Muslims to fight in Chechnya", then HAIL AMERICA, and more power to him!!

After all... from bitching about Russian Orthodox defense of their sovereign mother territory from the depradations of Chechen Insurrectionists, to bombing the Serbian Orthodox out of their ancestral homelands in Kosovo in order to make way for Albanian Narco-Terrorist murderers, to ignoring the plight of the Coptic Orthodox in Sudan while they are enslaved and massacred by Muslim Arab shock troops, it is bloody well apparent -- From the Balkans to the Caucusus/Middle East to North Africa -- that American Foreign Policy has followed a viciously-simple "Rule of Thumb" for at least the last ten years:


63 posted on 07/16/2004 9:49:05 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty)
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To: cyborg
People have a right to call themselves whatever they want.

True, but does that then impose an obligation on everyone else? The point of Steyn's comment was not what other's wish to call themselves, but the PC mandate that we all must comply.

Along that line, I have a right to call myself "Your Magnificence". According to PC rules, you would be rude (and in some cases criminal) if you did not also call me by that name.

64 posted on 07/16/2004 9:54:52 PM PDT by been_lurking
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To: Hamza01
I don't particularly enjoy the prospect, siamese princess, but I could understand it. But the problem is that these DHS monkeys seem to obsess about Indians(I'm no big fan of the Indians), or older people. Makes no sense. I have half a mind to start a business to help these fools understand facial structure.

It speaks well for you that you accept the prospect, as you put it, as necessary though unpleasant. Unfortunately, it's one of those situations where the good (you) must suffer because of the bad. Interesting to learn that the screeners seem to target Indians.

By the way... Siamese Princess? Interesting choice of names. I have heard of a well-known conservative writer of Siamese descent. Have you?

In real life I am a red-haired WASP Episcopalian -- my nom de plume is taken from the nickname of Her Royal Highness the Princess Jessamyn of Siam -- my 16-year-old sealpoint Siamese cat! It's 12:52 am EDT and she's sleeping on the bed; but then, that's what she does most of the day, as well.

I don't know of a writer from Thailand (previously known as Siam), but there is someone who writes for with a strange name that may be from Thailand. I seem to remember reading that somewhere but my memory is hazy.

65 posted on 07/16/2004 9:57:31 PM PDT by Siamese Princess
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To: been_lurking

No it doesn't impose an obligation on anyone else. I've met people who insist on calling me certain things for their own personal agenda,etc. Your Magnificence sounds okay ;-)


66 posted on 07/16/2004 9:59:39 PM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: cyborg

"hehehe well...how about American? That's simple ;-)"


Yeah it's simple. I want something that's flashy though


67 posted on 07/16/2004 11:19:13 PM PDT by Damagro
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To: Siamese Princess
Oh, I'm not particularly good, as you-- dear redhead, might suggest. I'm just a guy that likes to win.

The Wahabbis cannot win. Indeed, there's a saying of the Prophet that defines these abominations as " those that leave the religion of God as the arrow leaves the bow".

The Episcopalian faith is an interesting avenue toward the One God, but I know little about it. I understand the traditional Protestant churches, but know little about yours...

Englighten me...

68 posted on 07/16/2004 11:19:20 PM PDT by Hamza01
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To: Damagro

Blank-American


69 posted on 07/16/2004 11:30:12 PM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: Bobby777
I love that graphic! It perfectly captures the idiocy of those running our "security".

I'm flying El Al for the first time next week. It'll be interesting to see how adults do airline security.

70 posted on 07/17/2004 1:27:51 AM PDT by dagnabbit (Prevent the Next 9-11: Stop Muslim immigration and deport Muslim aliens.)
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To: dagnabbit

Sounds like too many people have too much time on their hands. I have only been stopped and thoroughly searched once, when I arrogantly declined to do some things "on principle". TSA then had an obligation to check me out. Now when I have a flight, I know and adhere to the simple rules. I breeze through screening despite frequent travel to some questionable countries.

Funny about the combination of people on this thread who are offended by PC labels, coupled with those who desire special treatment because of their own labels.


71 posted on 07/17/2004 2:44:54 AM PDT by rusty millet
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To: mercy

I went to Israel in 1998, my first trip out of the U.S., brand new US Passport. I was 24, going alone, for 18 days, no itenery, no hotel bookings, I was going to figure it all out when I got there.

I am Italian-American living , born and raised in Chicago, raised Catholic but am now Non-denominational.

I was interrogated at Chicago O'hare by El Al for about an hour. They wanted to know about my family, my religious beliefs , what job I had, why was I going to Israel, why didn't I plan anything, they even asked how I heard of Israel, was I going to the "territories", did I know any Arabs, was I on a mission of terrorism on their behalf. and on and on.

I anticpiated some sort of questioning, but they put special focus on me.. even had to go in a private room while they took everythign out of my bags and and examained every nanometer. I kinda enjoyed it, it was certainly not something you experience every day and I knew I was "ok", so I wasn't worried about them finding something. There's nothign there.

I never felt more safe on a plane in all my life.


72 posted on 07/17/2004 3:06:52 AM PDT by pacelvi
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To: rusty millet

FWIW - I spent most of the last three years traveling twice a month - active duty military traveling on orders on a government purchased ticket.

I averaged 50% for more thorough inspections. Always wondered why a military officer traveling on orders with a government purchased ticket was so suspicious. I concluded it was due to the large number of highjackings committed by USAF officers.


73 posted on 07/17/2004 3:25:31 AM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: cyborg

"People have a right to call themselves whatever they want."


Yes, they do. Couldn't agree more. The problem comes when (as happened to me recently) a half-white/half-Indian told me I was NOT a native American. Only HIS "people" (the Indian half, I guess) were natives. When words are usurped and deemed to be the sole property of only one group of people (like the formerly terrific "gay"), that offends me.

People may have a right to call themselves whatever they want, but they do not have the right to the sole use of that name.


74 posted on 07/17/2004 3:49:12 AM PDT by Maria S ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." Hillary Clinton, 6/28/04)
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To: cyborg

Obviously - you have never worked for an American corporation with a Human Resources department (HP,IBM, Sears, McDonalds, Ford, etc.) You'd know all about coercion and PC controls.


75 posted on 07/17/2004 5:24:44 AM PDT by NHResident
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To: SendShaqtoIraq

I think of PC as word hijacking. So many words that now mean something completely different. Gay, tolerance, diversity, etc. I steadfastly use homosexual, intolerance, and fragmenting of American society. Racial profiling is probably a term made up by some shyster lawyer.


76 posted on 07/17/2004 5:31:52 AM PDT by ishabibble
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
After all... from bitching about Russian Orthodox defense of their sovereign mother territory from the depradations of Chechen Insurrectionists, to bombing the Serbian Orthodox out of their ancestral homelands in Kosovo in order to make way for Albanian Narco-Terrorist murderers, to ignoring the plight of the Coptic Orthodox in Sudan while they are enslaved and massacred by Muslim Arab shock troops, it is bloody well apparent -- From the Balkans to the Caucusus/Middle East to North Africa -- that American Foreign Policy has followed a viciously-simple "Rule of Thumb" for at least the last ten years: "The Eastern Orthodox are always wrong, and must be destroyed."

We love you OP. Thank you for your love for us.

77 posted on 07/17/2004 7:16:00 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: KMG365

Yes?
No flame.


78 posted on 07/17/2004 7:28:58 AM PDT by Valin (Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It's just that yours is stupid.)
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To: Captain Peter Blood

RADICAL CONCEPT ALERT!!!


79 posted on 07/17/2004 7:30:39 AM PDT by Valin (Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It's just that yours is stupid.)
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To: The Libertarian Dude

What's four bucks and a hassle from people looking for the wrong people?

What makes you think they are "looking for the wrong people"?
The screeners are not the ones you want to hassle, it's the ones who make the rules the screeners follow.


80 posted on 07/17/2004 7:33:17 AM PDT by Valin (Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It's just that yours is stupid.)
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