Posted on 07/16/2004 12:29:03 PM PDT by ArmyBratproud
Rope A Dope - the deeper they dig, the more egg on their face. Suckers!
Interesting how she buried it at the bottom of the article.
Looks like Bush tried to go to Vietnam.
Not that he would not be brave for being assigned elsewhere.
The fact that he would fly an f-102 makes him a braver man than most. Those things were not the most reliable birds.
"Udell says Bush asked about a program under which National Guard pilots were assigned to Vietnam, but Udell told him he wasn't eligible because he was certified on the F-102, which the military was phasing out.
I GET SO FRUSTRATED BECAUSE ALL OF THIS INFO IS COMING OUT (LIKE JOE WILSON'S BIG LIE), YET WE SEE IT ON A COUPLE OF CONSERVATIVE WEBSITES AND THAT'S IT. END OF STORY!!
WHEN IS THE BUSH/CHENEY CAMPAIGN GOING TO START EXPOSING THIS STUFF. THE DIM-O-RATS WOULD IF THE SHOE WAS ON THE OTHER FOOT. IT'S TIME FOR THE GOP TO GET TOUGH. NO, SCRATCH "TOUGH". IT'S TIME FOR THE GOP TO GET "BRUTAL".
Hey, did you all know that John Kerry was in Vietnam? I think he's mentioned it once or twice along the trail. </sarcasm>
Facts just get in the way of leftists. They'll say BUT .....
Many ways to spin a lie -- Only one way to tell the truth!
I have been waiting for the right moment to post this article. Now is a right moment.
I have feeling I will have to bring this article up again later.
This political season is gonna be a dog fight...
That's ok........cause this dog's got jaw pressure!
The facts are meant to be ignored by the america hating media. They have their agenda and the truth simply is something to be ignored.
Glad to see this story getting some light. I read about Mr Bush's Guard duty 6 months ago and it was mentioned that he had signed up for Vietnam but wasn't qualified as he flew a type of Jet that was not used in Nam.
What? This ignores history. Vietnam, at a very high level, was somewhat of a repeat of Korea. We prevailed in Korea. We sought to do the same in Vietnam but failed. A comparison of South Korea and South Vietnam today confirms that our intentions were justified but our implementation plan was lousy.
Then let me make one request...to all of us.
A) Start calling you local and national radio shows. Usually...when they keep bringing an issue up...and it makes several different markets....the Main stream media gimps have no choice but to report it because they don't want the egg on their face for being last to a story.
(that tip is one I got from a lady who used to work as an editor for a newspaper)
B) AND DO BOTH A AND B- got to georgewbush.com and get the main phone number( I think I pulled it off a "contacts" icon). Tell them you have this story that shows that GWB asked for a Vietnam pilot slot. They will usually take your name and phone number...and then someone may call you back. If enough of us do this....the campaign folks may be compelled to use it.
It was well-known to those subject to the draft in the 60's that if you knew you were going to be drafted and wanted to avoid the chance of being sent into combat in Vietnam, you should enlist in the Navy. That's why there was a waiting list for that service, as well as the Coast Guard, while the Army and Marines had to use draftees.
When the plane was in demand overseas, Bush was not yet qualified to fly it. By the time he passed his final combat flight test in June 1970, the Air Force was pulling the jets out of Southeast Asia.
Bush, the Texas governor and presumptive Republican presidential nominee, said in his autobiography that he and a friend, Fred Bailey, tried to join the Palace Alert program that rotated National Guard pilots into Vietnam. A colonel told them only a few more pilots would go and "Fred and I had not logged enough hours to participate," Bush wrote.
Retired Col. Maury Udell, who trained Bush to fly the F-102, has no doubt his pupil was willing to go to Vietnam. Udell agreed that Bush was too inexperienced for Palace Alert, but he said the young man did become a good fighter pilot. "George got really good in air-to-air combat," he said.
Udell, now a 270-pound judo expert who describes himself as a "war-type guy," said Bush had an extraordinary memory and ability to process information. From Udell's perspective, Bush's ability to overcome his aristocratic schooling at Phillips Academy in Andover, Mass., and Yale University and mix with the other guardsmen was more impressive. "It is OK to get a good education, but some of those people are a little off the wall," he said. "I just wanted to make sure that he was in it for real."
Udell said he spent six hours a day for six months training Bush. And that's not all. "We would go to the bar and play dead bug just like everybody else," he said. When someone yelled "dead bug" the pilots would hit the floor and stick their hands and feet up in the air. "The last guy to do that has to buy the next round," Udell said, laughing. "He was really good with folks," he said. But the young pilot did not take insults well: "You can't put him down too easily. He's really tough. He'll fight you."
Udell says Bush asked about a program under which National Guard pilots were assigned to Vietnam, but Udell told him he wasn't eligible because he was certified on the F-102, which the military was phasing out.
Thanks for (re) posting. I saw it before when it first appeared.
It's old news for some of us who knew that the reason he didn't go to Viet Nam was that the fighter was being phased out and his time in the guard was almost up (i.e. no time to requalify in another plane). The reason he got out early was partly this and partly that as the war was winding down in 1971/72, the defense department was looking to cut active duty rosters to save money. Why not let out early a jet jockey who was close the end of his tour and who could not requalify in another fighter before the end of his active service time?
Forgot to mention...
I was led to this info/article through the workings of
The Daveman.....from The Daveman Speaks Out....e-mails of news and info that conservatives need.
The Daveman always has a wise tag line...."because information is power".
Now if he would just get off his tail end and start a web site.
Calm yourself down.
This article on the National Guard is from February, number one.
As to the Wilson saga, there is a grand jury underway and the WH would be fools to make public comment on the issue. The truth IS getting out there.
Believe it.
This article IS from almost 6 months ago...
Why are you stirring up this story?
awsome post ravingnutter. cool name too.
I have his book. A Charge To Keep. I am guessing that is the auto biography menioned?
I would love to meet Udell. GW's Book makes Udell sound like a warrior god. The right type of man to train our troops.
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