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To: Criminal Number 18F
I posted this story quite a bit earlier and you may have missed it.  It concerns a boloid that smacked a Chevy Nova parked in a driveway not all that far away from the Flight 800 path.  Sure, it happened in a different year, and it was on the ground, but this one came right through the world's busiest air corridor.

".... remember one of these spectacular meteors on a Friday night in October 1992. A brilliant greenish meteor traveled slowly across the sky in front me and astonished fans at a Westover High School football game. The meteor was a primetime event all along the East Coast since many other Friday night football fans caught a “falling star,” too. The meteor would become a meteorite seconds later, so called because wasn’t consumed by our atmosphere, it fell to Earth. Actually, it fell on the back of a 1972 Chevrolet Nova in Peekskill, N.Y. It pretty much totaled the car, which was parked in a driveway.

(SEE: http://www.fayettevillenc.com/special/backyard/98as2607.htm  )

 

231 posted on 07/18/2004 7:38:45 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
No I saw it. Yes, rare meteors do strike the earth. Yes, there is no reason one could not strike an aircraft while in flight, and if it did, chances are just about unity that it would be curtains for said aircraft. Agreed?

But... could it do it without leaving a trace of itself or its entry? It couldn't. Look what happened to that Nova:

It pretty much totaled the car
. There would have been zero doubt looking at that Nova what happened to it, I bet. People wouldn't have been looking for a guy in a turban driving a phantom Kenworth.... This post, to an astronomy group long before the TWA investigation has closed, expresses some skepticism about the meteorite theory and discusses the evidentiary difficulties. The author notes that "even if [a puncture] is found, a meteorite impact is still the least likely cause. A man-made object is still far more likely." At that time he had no way of knowing that no suspicious puncture would be found.

We don't have an aircraft known to have been downed by a celestial object for comparison, but the wreckage of aircraft known to have been downed by bombs (ex. PA103) and struck by missiles (three civil a/c I've seen the photos from are the two Air Rhodesia Viscounts and the DHL Airbus) have always had plenty of evidence of that damage.

Here's another list where a JPL scientist is addressing some of the shortcoming of the meteorite theory, in a polite discussion with a meteor-theory supporter. You may wish to read the whole thread. Early in the investigation, a letter writer to Scientific American led them to question several scientists, who come up with a split decision. They say car strikes happen from time to time: one guys says three times last century, one says five or ten in a decade. An aircraft strike is much less likely than a car strike -- maybe 1,000 times less likely -- but certainly not impossible.

Here are official links on TWA 800:

  1. TWA 800 NTSB Main Page

  2. The public hearing Agenda & Presentations.

  3. All the Exhibits. You can also get these on CD-ROM for $5 if you have a slow connexion. (Important note: I have been all through this trying to find the meteorite annex I read before. It is on the table of contents for the CD, but it isn't on the website any more! At least not at this address. But I know I found that .pdf at ntsb.gov. So I will keep looking. I could find the one I've got archived, but IMHO it is more trustworthy coming from an official source).

  4. This interesting series of reports from an av-savvy journalist attending the hearings. Pay particular attention to Day 3's events. (the complete transcript of the hearings is at the previously-provided NTSB link).

That should give you some interesting reading. Bottom line: a meteor strike on an aircraft in flight is possible but extremely improbable. One that gets in and blows up the plane from inside out without leaving its mark from outside in is even more so.

Personally, I don't sweat any meteors while in a plane... most crashes are still human error, which happens a hell of a lot more frequently. The meteor event that concerns me is the possibility of a dinosaur-killer making all the environmentalists happy by messing up life for us humans (and this is probably even more unlikely. Also, we humans can consciously adapt, a capability the poor lizards lacked). Anyway, here are a few links for you to chew on.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

233 posted on 07/18/2004 9:31:18 PM PDT by Criminal Number 18F
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