Posted on 07/15/2004 9:58:10 PM PDT by ChicagoHebrew
I believe that it is the United Churches with Methodists and these Presbys and some liberal Episcopaleans who have been supporting Fidel Castro before Jack Kennedy's body got cold.
My 89 year old Mother in Law is suffering from Alzheimer's like president Reagan did. In her lucid moments, she reaffirms that she does not want her liberal Methodist Minister to officiate at her funeral, nor does she want her funeral at the Church she attended since she was 3.
For decades her church hasve been forced to accept lesbo CINO ministers because of their liberal bishops. They hate America and laud Castro. Then, they wonder why no one is coming to their church.
Well, I never much cared for Presbyterians anyway, so now I have another reason...
It is not temptation, but rather inspiration. You should publicly send your tithe directly to a mission within your church that matches your beliefs. Do it publicly so that 1) others will follow, and 2) so that people will continue to support God's church (but not the leftist leaders's "church).
On th other hand, continuing to send your head tax to those who you know would misuse it could be an act of poor stewardship. As you know, Christians are called upon to be good stewards.
These creeps aren't going to hijack my church without a fight. Praise the Lord and send em' off to Sudan!
Fight them. Many Episcopalians are fighting the liberal perverts as they try to take over our churches. The advantage that we have over the Methodist churches is an important one. Our bishops can't push a priest on a parrish. That priest has to be officially accepted and approved by the Vestry (the board of each church).
Many of our priests are refusing to marry homosexuals in their parrish or anywhere. In spite of massive pressure by the homosexual agenda pushers, even the liberal/perverted Bishops know they can't force a priest to marry homosexuals.
The secular WASP is somewhat concerned that what we are seeing here is a leading indicator that a veiled anti-Jew sentiment is becoming somewhat more socially acceptable in certain mainline Christian circles (just like in the "good-old-days"). The Vatican is also flailing away here, on this one. The rant about Christian Zionism seemed to also be gratuitious. Putting aside the merits of the Jewish state, are not these folks not concerned about the end game of its dissolution? Where is the balance? Where is the concern about protecting the lives of all in the region? Where is their conscience?
Freepers who are members of the Presbyterian Church USA should resign from that branch and join the Presbyterian Church in America or the Orthodox Presbyterian Church. Regarding the Presbyterian Church USA, one of the "mainline" churches: stick a fork in it; it's done.
=o)
But Grampa, the Communist elites lived like the old aristocracy in Russia - with fewer constraints on their behavior. It's always the same melodrama with leftists - whether of the Marxist, Fascist-Nazi, or Tranzi flavor - there has to be a dictatorship of the [proletariat, or 'the people' - 'Volk', or 'the oppressed other'] to achieve 'true democracy' (Utopia). This can arrive only when the guilty party, be it the Bourgeoise, the Jews, or the white-Christian-male power structure, has been destroyed. This end always justifies the means of achieving it.
Socialism has always been a means to keep the great majority of people mired in poverty and dependence while being lorded over by those who have the 'vision of the annointed' (to borrow a phrase form Thomas Sowell). Ditto for Nazism (National Socialism), Fascsim, and Transnational Progressivism (Multiculturalism, feminism, homosexualist agendas, radical environmentalism, etc, etc.)
uggh.....Presbies get a bad name again.
Please note there are many many conservative Presby denominations (entire denominations...) out there.
This is just the bad apple...
Hey.....you could be a Covenanter. We have Scottish blood running in the veins...and are more conservative than pretty much anybody.
www.reformedpresbyterian.org
Now that's not correct.....to my knowledge, the ban is still in place.
Believe me, I would have heard about it at www.layman.org
The part of the church that are doing that are probably cursing themselves and their own children.
I am a Catholic Christian and if I had to die for Israel, then so be it.
They are our religious grandparents and all the roots of Christianity lies with Judaism and God.
I stand with Israel and am happy to do so.
Christ was a rabbi, if they shun Jews, they are shunning the Jew Jesus Christ.
Or the Reformed Presby Church (what I joined after leaving the PCUSA). I feel more secure here since we won't just have a huge influx of PCUSA folks making the church less conservative. Even conservative PCUSA folks generally support the ordination of women. I worry about them watering down the PCA into allowing women's ordination if they get too much control.
BTW, when I was PCUSA, I was one of the few who still said women's ord was wrong, so that is why I feel somewhat qualified to raise alarm bells over what this might do to the biggest conservative Presby denom...the PCA. I am worried the PCA might end up being where the PCUSA is now in 50 years if the doctrinal purity is not upheld.
Nary a pious word to be spoken against the suicide bombers who stream into Israel to murder civilians.
What's really odd about this is that Abe Foxman, a hard-core leftist who typically allies himself with "Christians" like Barry Lynn, is actually attacking one of hos longtime pals in the ongoing culture war to destroy America.
So here's Foxman complaining about a group advocating divestment in Israel, but having no serious problem with importing ever-increasing numbers of Muslims, who are quite blunt about their plans for Jews. (Dhimmitude or Death)
The Presbyterian Church has done things like this before, but the Presbyterian Church does have many good people who will just not tolerate the liberal causes, and stop giving money to the church when they get fanatic. So I would not be surprised if it happens again. When the pocket book looks empty, they will reasess things.
Revenge of the Sodomites?
Genesis 12: 1": Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
"2": And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
"3": And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
Shame on them who would curse Israel, rather than to bless them. May God take a good look at what is going on.
The total irony of any liberal turning away from Israel in favor of the Palestinians = Israel allows freedoms similar to the USA. To be a religion other than Islam OR to be a "disobdient" female OR a homosexual means torture and death.
http://www.ucdivest.org lists the Calif Universities pushing for divestment from Israel.
http://www.campuswatch.org has info on the slanted Mideast Asia Studies and the Muslim Student Associations.
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