Posted on 07/15/2004 9:58:10 PM PDT by ChicagoHebrew
Major US Christian Denomination Backs Divestment From Israel 00:22 Jul 16, '04 / 27 Tammuz 5764
Leaders of the largest Christian Presbyterian denomination have officially equated Israel with apartheid-era South Africa and voted to divest from Israel, according to a report in the New York Forward.
The decision by the Presbyterian Church was approved 431 to 62 in a vote at the 216th annual General Assembly of the church, which has a membership of 3 million and a foundation and pension fund of $7 billion.
According to the Forward, the Protestant group is the largest organization or institution to join the divestment campaign against Israel. They are also the first Christian denomination to join the divestment campaign being waged on campuses and elsewhere against the Jewish State. The church also voted to continue funding "messianic congregations," which target Jews for conversion.
At an international interfaith meeting in Buenos Aires last week, Roman Catholic officials signed a document that called for "the total rejection of anti-Semitism in all its forms, including anti-Zionism as a more recent manifestation equated anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism.”
The Anti-Defamation League condemned the Presbyterian decision. “We were offended and distressed by the actions of the Presbyterian Church USA at your most recent General Assembly pertaining to Jews and Israel.” said ADL director Abraham Foxman. “Specifically, we cite the vote to continue funding the Avodat Yisrael Church [a church in Philadelphia that targets Jews for proselytization –ed.], and other missionizing churches targeting Jews, and the "overture" or resolution calling for divestiture from Israel.”
The Presbyterian Assembly also voted overwhelming to condemn Israel's construction of the separation/security fence and to officially disavow Christian Zionism as a legitimate theological stance.
THANKYOU FOR THE PING,
i'm sorry i often read your comments,but do not reply.
conservative christians are solidly for israel.
my buisness partners are orthodox jews.you can be blessed by the thought of us praying together all the time,and my witnessing to them.
i believe they are the remnant,and will be Home in glory.
Good for them. The secular policies and leadership of the modern state of Israel must *not* be given a free pass out of deference to some ancient superstition or ongoing collectivist guilt regarding Nazism.
Sharon and his gov't minons must be held to the same human rights standards as any other leadership.
I have no issue with the concept of a wall for protective purposes but have you see the path of that thing? Looks like it was drawn by a crack addict in seizure during a 10.5 quake! Further, the Palestinians don't have the resources of, for example, Mexico. This walling them off it tantamount to penning in your animals to make them utterly helpless and dependant upon you. Israel has not shown itself to be a benevolent overseer. Certainly not under Ariel Sharon.
Wow, that was rude. Are you one of those "the Pope is the Anti-Christ" tin-foil types I see pop up around here?
As we already know, most of Today's "Christians" are in name only "Church-i-anity", Replacement Theology types who would NOT know our Risen Savior even if they fell right over HIM.
These are the ones that Yeshua - JESUS THE RISEN MESSIAH will say:
"How did You treat these (JEWISH) Brothers of mine?"...and when they cannot answer His question, He will say to them...
"DEPART from Me you evil doers of iniquity...I Never knew you!"
I fear that they are Now and will always be Eternally LOST.
SHAME...SHAME On Their Souls.
That goes for the National Council of Churches and the rest of the Demon-Infected Denominations in America as well.
Too many to list individually.
This is absurd. These Presbys are the same ones (if I'm not mistaken) that want gay clergy and gay marriage. As an evangical Christian, I support Israel unequivically.
At least this should help to illustrate the lack of homogeneity in "Christendom". As if there was ever a question about that.
Secondly their anti-Zionist stance would have to be both respect to Christian Zionism and Zionism proper. With respect to the latter, they've bought the leftist notions of anti-zionism and instead have legitimized the Arab Islamic nationalist-fascist movement illustrated in THE historical representative in that area the nazi lover himself - Hajj Amin al Husayni. I'm sure they'd be proud to acknowledge and identify with Husayni's sentiments and beliefs since he was the quintessential anti-zionist.
That they had to vote, IMO, is problematic.
"... (15)I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! (16) So, because you are lukewarm--neither hot nor cold--I am about to spit you out of my mouth. ..."
Like you, I'm also a member of the PCUSA, and I haven't given that annual donation for at least 15 years. Back then it was because of the PCUSA's support of the leftie World Council of Churches. My decision is further reinforced by these terrible resolutions produced at the national level.
Like you, I'm sticking with my church because it IS my church. No band of leftie socialist Democratic creeps is going to push me out of my church. Why give them control of your church building and resources? I'm going to look into some form of protest. I think I'll start by contacting my local Presbytery and finding out what the scoop is on all this bullsh**.
This is what happens when they decide to ignore the Bible, and do what they think is right in their own minds, ie: Women and homosexual clergy.
Good for your momma!
At our local methodist church, who is officiated by a female, this happened--how do you think this makes Jesus feel?:
Orb believers unite
By MARTIN J. KIDSTON - IR Staff Writer - 03/17/04
When the lights went down at St. Paul's Methodist Church on Monday night and the deep-space music began, the audience fell into a hush and a speaker appeared at the podium.
"Welcome into the presence of the Blue Orb," Julie Ryder, a Helena resident, told the nearly 100 people in attendance.
Ryder, a registered nurse and an "intuitive healer," introduced Gary Hovda, an interior designer who has been studying the Blue Orb ever since it appeared in a photo taken at a Fairy and Human Relations Conference in Washington last year.
Expecting a much smaller crowd, Hovda, of Washington state, skipped the small talk and began discussing what he called his "silent visitation." He said he had never seen an orb, let alone a giant blue one, until he attended last year's conference.
There, he said, the mood was light and cheerful. That's when the orbs appeared. He showed pictures of people surrounded by the spheres of cascading light, and several members of the audience emitted "wows" of vocal pleasure and surprise.
"The orbs were enjoying us," Hovda said. "I started sensing something I haven't felt in a long time. It was just a ‘cool' that went right through us. Then the magic started. I just started dancing with energy."
Hovda then showed the picture of the now famous Blue Orb.
"This is why we're here tonight," he said. "This is what has affected our lives so much."
Since that day in the Washington hills, Hovda said he has spent much of his time wondering where he had seen the Blue Orb before. He began researching the shape and came up with various conclusions.
"My field is in interior design," Hovda said. "I work with form. I work with space. I feel space. So I wondered, where has this shown up in history?"
Hovda compared art and architecture to the Blue Orb, often superimposing the sphere over images of the Oval Office, the Pope's coronation crown, and Michelangelo's famous painting, "The Last Supper," to show the sphere's harmonious relationship to such items.
Placing the shape over Stonehenge, he suggested that the ellipse of the stones matched that of the orb. The stone altar, he said, aligned perfectly with the mysterious image caught inside the orb.
Hovda also compared the orb to other famous landmarks, like St. Peter's Basilica in Rome, and the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem, where the tomb of Jesus, he said, aligned with the altar in Stonehenge.
The music playing throughout the sanctuary was rhythmic, as if inspired by deep space and cascading light. Many sat in the audience shaking their heads as if to say, yes, yes indeed.
Hovda continued his comparisons, suggesting that the Blue Orb inspired landmarks like the Capitoline Hill in Rome, the Touro Synagogue in Rhode Island, the Great Pyramid of Egypt, and the Roman Coliseum, where, he said, the center was in perfect proportion to the orb.
"I looked at the orb and decided that I have to reduce it to geometry to understand it," Hovda said.
Ryder said she had seen the same Blue Orb. Her own story, which ran in February, prompted dozens of e-mails and phone calls from around the world.
"Is it possible to get a picture of the orb?" wrote one person from Spain. "It would help a lot parents who lost a child to believe in the afterlife."
One Washington, D.C., resident wrote, "I think cameras now can see more than we do, since we don't see UV or infrared. I see images, and especially faces, in rocks everywhere. I call them my Anima Mundi."
Others were more cryptic in their response, including one woman who claimed to be psychic and telepathic.
She wrote, "In my blood veins, on my left arm, on the inside, is written JM77. What do (the) orbs indicate that this might be?"
We did not. The ban on ordaining practicing homosexuals still stands.
I know how you feel about your local church, but YOU enable the corporation to do what it does, by staying and paying your tithes.
I am sure there were many German people who SAID they did not support the Nazi's, but their inaction said volumes more, and allowed millions to be murdered.
This vote, in effect, says that Israel should be left alone to be slaughtered by the Arabs.
Your statements and inaction, are much like those in the democratic party who say, "I don't believe in abortion, PERSONALLY, but support a woman's right to choose"...and they send their money, and throw their support behind democrats whose whole purpose in life is to make sure helpless babies are sucked out limb by limb from their mother's bodies.
We all must face our Creator.....God will judge, and I would not want to be in your shoes when he does.
"We all must face our Creator.....God will judge, and I would not want to be in your shoes when he does."
You are making judgements that are a little, to say the least, above your pay grade, my friend.
Most folks stay in the now pagan mainline prostestant churches out of inertia and habit, not out of overt support of their now radical policital views. It's sad, but hey- they are, I'm sure, for the most part as sincere a christian as you are.
Actually the name is the ELCA, short for Evangelical Lutheran Church In America.
I think we should all praise Rev. Henrickson of the Missouri Synod for condeming Minister Dr. David Benke (President of the Atlantic District of the Missouri Synod)for appearing at an ecumenical function after 9/11 where Muslims, Hinduis and Jews were also present.
The gospel is not served, it is not confessed--indeed, the gospel is eviscerated!--when Jesus Christ is presented as one of many options from which to choose on a smorgasbord of "spirituality", that includes Judaism, Hinduism and Islam.
Thankfully, the Missouri Synod does not apologize for the fact that it holds the one, true faith. In this age of spiritual and moral relativism, that is something us Missouri Lutherans should be proud of!
What would Jesus say about this anti-Jewish attack by self-declared Christians?
There is of course many fellowships which embrace the community.....go to them.
Church fellowship is a journey in mind manipulation it seems now.
smorgasboard too...if you don't like the taste..move on.
Laughing..and yet sad...
so many have come to the alter to repent...been born again how many times.
Turn on the T.V. and watch a christian telecast[If you can find one : )]..and there's some drama type pacing back and forth..with a sound system/band/orchestra ...
"The King is coming...hand waving...the King is coming"..[cheering in the crowd].
Yes..the crowd is animated...lots of gold and glitter...real and fake rolexs.
heavy sigh..
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