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Terror in the Skies Again (Absolutely Positive MUST-READ)
Womens' Wall Street.com ^ | July 2004 | Annie Jacobsen

Posted on 07/15/2004 6:19:30 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever

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To: not2worry
IMHO, they should ban all carry-on luggage, except those items that are medical essentials.

Can you imagine all the junk folks would claim as medical essentials? Hide something in pill bottles or even in what looks like factory made foil wrappers. Then there's the diabetes equipment. I have one of those metal thingies that you put a seringe in so you don't see it poke you which would make a great gadget. A few hypos filled with the right thing could disable flight attendants and pilots. Wheelchairs, casts, artifical whatevers, etc. all should be banned. I'm only half joking but it's to the point they should make everyone fly nekid! But then there's the question of the cleaning crew or maintenance or surface to air missiles...

501 posted on 07/15/2004 1:38:00 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: Zhangliqun

it will take more then that. the sheeple have the "it didn't happen to me" attitude. so the WTC was hit, but most of them weren't in it, so why should they care? and if a mall is hit tomorrow, most of them won't be shopping there. and then there is a judiciary in this country - how are you going to stop lifetime appointment federal judges who are accountable to no one, from changing course?


502 posted on 07/15/2004 1:39:55 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Rutles4Ever
That was a dry run .... and it would be child's play to build a thermite device from improvised materials on an airplane.
503 posted on 07/15/2004 1:42:21 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Many a law, many a commandment have I broken, but my word never.)
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To: Tamsey; WKB; bourbon; dixiechick2000

OMG!

I have printed it and
e-mailed it to nearly everyone I know.



504 posted on 07/15/2004 1:42:39 PM PDT by onyx (Kerry/Edwards: It's the hair, stupid.)
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To: Camerican

BULLS-EYE. My absolute # 1 first hunch was that ("dry run" or not) the M.O. appears that different, innocent looking bomb making elements could be smuggled onboard, assembled in flight, becoming lethal when combined and detonated. It is extremely clear that all policies and practices we currently have in place are not "street smart" enough to PREVENT combinations of personnel and materiel to be assembled. To the extent that "PC" policies are in place, Congress must remove or reverse those "PC" laws and give the good guys the tools to protect our people, who have to be like sheep led to the slughter at this point. Seriously, I feel sorry for the people on board.

It is crystal clear that not enough was done before the planbe took off. This is a case study that should be examined in detail by all appropraite authorities and changes in our legal system should be made to prevent even "dry runs" and obviously suspicious "staging point" type of activity to ever even occur.

Below is a an excerpt from the article for those that did not read the whole thing:

"...Terrorist bid to build bombs in mid-flight: Intelligence reveals dry runs of new threat to blow up airliners

Islamic militants have conducted dry runs of a devastating new style of bombing on aircraft flying to Europe, intelligence sources believe.

The tactics, which aim to evade aviation security systems by placing only components of explosive devices on passenger jets, allowing militants to assemble them in the air, have been tried out on planes flying between the Middle East, North Africa and Western Europe, security sources say.

...The... Transportation Security Administration issued an urgent memo detailing new threats to aviation and warning that terrorists in teams of five might be planning suicide missions to hijack commercial airliners, possibly using common items...such as cameras, modified as weapons.

...Components of IEDs [improvised explosive devices]can be smuggled on to an aircraft, concealed in either clothing or personal carry-on items... and assembled on board. In many cases of suspicious passenger activity, incidents have taken place in the aircraft's forward lavoratory."

It is clear that everyone involved had enough common sense to discern that something was amiss, yet it appears we alre all prisoners of Political Correctness! Nuts


505 posted on 07/15/2004 1:44:17 PM PDT by Bald Eagle777
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To: marty60
They would have to get the explosives on board. There in lies their problem.

I can show you one way to build a bomb that will obliterate that plane in about 30 second with 3 small plastic bottles ....

One looks like mouthwash, one like hand lotion, and one that looks like apple juice.

It's child's play for a suicide bomber to build a bomb on the plane out of otherwise inert materials.

506 posted on 07/15/2004 1:46:43 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Many a law, many a commandment have I broken, but my word never.)
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To: mercy
I know one of the founders of the modern Left. He's a 60ish professor at UT.

Left = UT

507 posted on 07/15/2004 1:48:12 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: TalonDJ
That or put cameras in there but there is no way they will do that.

Why not? There are cameras and/or people watching customers in clothing dressing rooms.

508 posted on 07/15/2004 1:53:18 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: Rutles4Ever

I can only say that I am glad that I no longer have to travel for my job. After reading this, I just don't know what to say - except why does Mineta still have a job?


509 posted on 07/15/2004 1:53:37 PM PDT by mathluv (Protect my grandchildren's future. Vote for Bush/Cheney '04.)
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To: Rutles4Ever

Around that time and day there was an emergency braking message on KABC Radio but nothing followed.


510 posted on 07/15/2004 1:55:22 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn
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To: MineralMan

These weren't just "Muslim-looking people." Maybe you'd better read the article again.


511 posted on 07/15/2004 1:55:58 PM PDT by firebrand
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This story just made the Schnit show out of Floriduh. Carried in San Antonio for two hours in the afternoon after Rush.


512 posted on 07/15/2004 1:56:20 PM PDT by mercy
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To: jimbo123
I agree with your #310. They could not have acted any more suspiciously. This was choreographed to test the waters. They will continue probing the system until they feel they understand the boundaries. Also, with time the boundaries will expand if no events occur.

I've read that OBL is fascinated with aircraft as they tend to be spectacular events and tend to have a very disruptive effect on the economy. Also, several months ago there were some articles here on FR about carrying C4 and other type explosives onboard in body orifices. There are so many ways to bring a plane down it would seem almost impossible to cover all the bases. It will eventually happen.
513 posted on 07/15/2004 1:56:29 PM PDT by bereanway
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To: gathersnomoss

PC will not directly do the killing, but we have to seriously reconsider and reevaluate what policies are "helping" us and those that are "hindering" us in our righteous aim at protecting all of our citizens. Policies and procedures that "get in the way" of keeping innocent, virtually defenseless people on planes safe should be carefully revised or rescinded, where appropriate, and where certain patterns exist. The corporate sector has to constantly live in fear of pleasing everyone, complying with all applicable laws, and so on. Yet the Government must bear the responsibility of ensuring that Citizens are protected and has a moral obligation to pick up the sword and shield.

In this case, I think we have a case that leadership needs to come from the Government, in qualified cases like this one, so that the private sector has the political and legal cover to allow rational and prudent -- and yes, street smart -- preventative measures. We need to support political leaders that have their heads screwed on straight when it comes to domestic security.

I really hope that these suspicious activities are not practice runs for a coordinated surprise assault like (yet also unlike) the Japanese sneak attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941.

We will not have to worry so much about this if we let the good guys PREEMPT suspicious patterns, rather than allow the horse get out of the barn and then trying to close the barn door later.


514 posted on 07/15/2004 1:58:59 PM PDT by Bald Eagle777 ("An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure")
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To: mastequilla
"if they intended to blow up the plane then 14 people to blow up a single airplane seems a bit excessive. Two or three could accomplish the task."

Why do they need to be on the plane? It could of had a timer on it knowing the plane will be in the air in so many hours.

515 posted on 07/15/2004 1:59:24 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn
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To: MineralMan

Haven't you ever heard of a rehearsal or a trial run?


516 posted on 07/15/2004 2:02:26 PM PDT by Beckwith (Did Kerry commit murder in Viet Nam?)
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To: Rutles4Ever

I posted a story very similar to this based on my experience on a flight from Houston to Chicago. I was so completely unnerved by the events that took place on that flight that I talked to a friend of mine who is a FAM and he confirmed that they have had many instances of 'dry runs' being observed on flights. It did not reassure me.

On this particular flight there were approximates 6 to 8 people of Middle Eastern flavor. They were up, looking at one another yet they were seated at different locations up and down the plane. When we were 30 minutes out and as soon as the fasten seat-belt light came on - several of the men stood up and approached the front of the plane. My wife and fellow passenger sitting with us nearly came up out of the seat to tackle them. We were greatly alarmed.

It bothers me to read a story so similar to mine - and with all the flying I've done I've never seen something orchestrated like this. I don't know if I would have paid attention prior to 9/11 or not.


517 posted on 07/15/2004 2:02:30 PM PDT by Frapster (Not with the wisdom of man's words but through the demonstration of power.)
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To: jimbo123
Flashback: FBI: Terrorists may use sports, arts visas to enter U.S. Originally published on April 1, 2004

Thank you. I've been having this nagging feeling there was something about instrument cases other than the obvious.

518 posted on 07/15/2004 2:05:07 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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This is a reason why I am not at all certain that if a terrorist attack happens here before the election that it will automatically be a boost for the current administration.


519 posted on 07/15/2004 2:08:26 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: PLMerite

I quote: "The terrorists are smart enough to recruit fresh martyrs who haven't drawn attention to themselves."

TRUE !! That's their M.O. !! They are pouring into Iraq by the bus load and they will be coming here en masse. The extremist elements are SUICIDAL. They will have as many independently operating teams here as they can. Thank God (and GW and US MIl) for killing or disabling 75% of the original Al Quaida leadership personnel.

The problem remains: 1) spin off groups/splinter organizations; 2) "copy cat" teams and 3) disgruntled types coming at us in droves from the M.E. due to the Iraq war and other policies. Gotta keep our guard up!


520 posted on 07/15/2004 2:10:03 PM PDT by Bald Eagle777 ("An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure")
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