Tec-9 Terror: 35 States Face Added Risk: Legal, Concealed Assault Weapons in Public Places

Brady Campaign ^ | 7-13-04

[SJackson]

To: National Desk

Contact: Peter Hamm of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence United with the Million Mom March, 202-898-0792

WASHINGTON, July 13 /U.S. Newswire/ -- The following was released today by the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence United with the Million Mom March:

There are only 13 days left when Congress is in session before the expiration of the Assault Weapons Ban -- a law that President Bush pledged he'd renew as a candidate for President in 2000.

Among the many dangerous outcomes of the sunset of the ban is this: In 35 states, the laws governing citizens carrying concealed weapons have been loosened to a ridiculous standard, with police forced to issue concealed handgun permits to virtually anyone who does not have a felony conviction. In many of those states, hidden handguns are allowed in public places like restaurants, bars, sports arenas, supermarkets and even places of worship.

That means that if the assault weapons ban expires, a banned weapon like the Tec-9 assault pistol, equipped with a 36- or 50- round magazine, could be legally carried, concealed, into many workplaces and popular establishments crowded with people.

Some states with extremely weak concealed weapons laws have banned carrying concealed weapons in school. Some have banned them at sporting events, and others have banned them where alcohol is served.

But other states don't exclude sensible public places in their laws. In Oregon, New Hampshire and Utah, a loaded Tec-9 could legally be carried into an elementary school or high school -- just as a 38-caliber revolver can be now. In Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Idaho, Indiana, Kentucky, Maine, Minnesota, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Vermont, Washington and West Virginia, or Colorado, a Tec-9 could be taken legally into a church or temple.

THE TEC-9: CONCEALABLE MAYHEM

Here's what one online gun information source says:

"The Intratec TEC DC-9 "assault pistol", also known as DC-9, TEC-9, or, if manufactured after 1994, as AB-10, bears the dubious distinction of being one of the most widely used "criminal" guns in USA. It was used in several mass murder cases, as well as in unknown, but definitely large number of street fights and other violent crimes. TEC-9 became "famous" for its "evil" appearance, large magazine capacity (which offered significant firepower), and for low price. Unsurprisingly, these features made TEC-9 very popular among various marginal types." (See http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg136-e.htm.)

STATES WITH MANDATORY CCW LAWS

In 35 states, police are forced to allow practically all non- felons to carry concealed handguns in public. These lenient laws, called "non-discretionary" or "shall issue" CCW laws, force law enforcement to issue concealed handgun permits to virtually anyone who does not have a felony conviction (Alaska and Vermont do not even require a permit to carry a concealed handgun).

In many states, the permit requirements are so minimal that some people get permits to carry concealed weapons despite criminal convictions for violent or drug-related misdemeanors or domestic violence restraining orders. The applicant does not have to show any need for carrying a hidden handgun and law enforcement has no discretion to deny permits even if they think public safety may be endangered, absent a prohibiting offense. Some of these states do not even require safety training and force police to issue permits to people as young as 18. The 35 states are: Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, and Wyoming.

SOME OF THE RESULTS OF WEAKENED CONCEALED WEAPONS LAWS

-- A Georgia woman was arrested after pointing her concealed handgun at another mother during an argument over their eleven- year-old daughter's basketball game at school;

-- A Michigan man was arrested for threatening to shoot two other men with his concealed handgun during a dispute over clearing trash off his property;

-- A Virginia man was arrested for carrying a concealed handgun into an elementary school, where it was left in an unattended backpack in the classroom until a teacher noticed it;

-- An Alabama man accidentally shot himself and a bystander in a movie theater showing "102 Dalmatians," when the concealed handgun fell out of his pocket;

-- A Pennsylvania man shot and killed a neighbor with a concealed handgun during an argument over where to dump snow that was being shoveled off the property.

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[bt_dooftlook]

Actually, IIRC, police are more likely to commit violent crimes than are CCW-holders as a population, but don't hold your breath waiting for the Brady Campaign, the media, or any others in that freedom-hating cabal to mention it...;)

[Mulder]

It is unlawful under Federal law, to take any weapons into a postal facility

I don't think so. The law states that you can't carry there unless doing so under "lawful purposes", or something to that effect.

So if you are carrying "legally" outside, then you should be okay inside also.

[PistolPaknMama]

If the Brady Bunch are this looney in July, will they be leaping off of buildings come September?!

Oh pleeeeze say yes!

[bt_dooftlook]

Keep the letters going to your Congressmen - 'cuz you know they're hearing it from the left...

[PistolPaknMama]

Let's see here. You have to be a law abiding citizen in order to get a concealed weapons permit. Law abiding = probably not inclined to murder people and/or never murdred anybody. On the other hand, those un-law-abiding people who are inclined to murder are going to do so if they have a concealed weapons permit or not. In fact they will do so if they have a *gun* or not. They could have concealed rope, concealed baseball bat, concealed knife.

It's all about sound bites and hysteria. These people are getting pretty desperate.

[PistolPaknMama]

I registered to respond to this.

Hello Robert Taylor and welcome to FR! I think the first time I registered, after lurking for some time was to respond to a gun control thread too.

When we were in DC for the Second Amendment Sisters rally this past Mother's Day, the commie mommies were staying in the same hotel as we were. We got into some serious discussion with a couple of them on Saturday night before the rally and I asked one of them: "I've lived my entire life and never broken a single law, save a couple of traffic tickets. Tell me why I should not be allowed to carry a gun to protect myself." Her response was that I *should* be able to carry.

They don't even know what they believe. It depends on who they are talking to at the time and their nature is such that whatever they hear must be true.

[IronJack]

Whoa! How can THAT be??? You mean the "No Guns Allowed" sign and Sarah Brady didn't stop this nutbag from shooting people??? What IS the world coming to, when a SIGN and a LAW don't stop bad people? I mean, it was a SIGN for cripes' sake!

[HolgerDansk]

In 35 states, the laws governing citizens carrying concealed weapons have been loosened to a ridiculous standard, with police forced to issue concealed handgun permits to virtually anyone who does not have a felony conviction.

I am unaware of any state that does not have a carve-out for the mentally unstable as well, but this is merely splitting hairs.

In many of those states, hidden handguns are allowed in public places like restaurants, bars, sports arenas, supermarkets and even places of worship.

In all states, in all of those places, innocent people have been assaulted, raped, or killed by criminals. The reason that a lawful citizen is allowed to carry a weapon on their person goes beyond the Constitutional 2nd Amendment; it is the fundamental right of self-defense that any civilized culture (even the UN) recognizes.

John Kerry believes that, by participating in hunting (poorly) and posing as a trap shooter (unsafely), he is demonstrating an "understanding" of the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. In doing so, he demonstrates a profoundly shallow understanding of what is considered the most primal of all human rights.

[RogueIsland]

Concealed Assault Weapons in Public Places

I tried to make my AR-15 into my concealed carry piece, but I found the Milt Sparks Inside the Waistband holster for it to be uncomfortable.

Thes folks are very stupid.

[bad company]

-- A Georgia woman was arrested after pointing her concealed handgun at another mother during an argument over their eleven- year-old daughter's basketball game at school;

-- A Michigan man was arrested for threatening to shoot two other men with his concealed handgun during a dispute over clearing trash off his property;

-- A Virginia man was arrested for carrying a concealed handgun into an elementary school, where it was left in an unattended backpack in the classroom until a teacher noticed it;

-- An Alabama man accidentally shot himself and a bystander in a movie theater showing "102 Dalmatians," when the concealed handgun fell out of his pocket;

-- A Pennsylvania man shot and killed a neighbor with a concealed handgun during an argument over where to dump snow that was being shoveled off the property.

$20 says these incidents cannot be documented.

[nonsporting]

I find African style on my weak side an extremely fast movement to the ready position.

Yeah. Transitions can be fast and smooth.

What I like about a regular sling--one can still use a ready sling for long range shooting. The Giles (or at least my limited experience with it) suffered in this regard.