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I agree with you, that he was deceptive. But it was extremely clear where Arnie stood on this and other issues. Anyone who chose not to see the truth was simply kidding themselves. It was very clear all along that he didn't oppose this- At least it was to me and other McClintock supporters. The fact that people don't read, or that they believed the propaganda, is their own foolish fault. Don't you see what I mean?

I personally asked Beevis Kobylt of KFI why he thinks Arnie opposed the referendum of SB60. (while saveourlicense was still gathering signatures for it). He acted like he didn't understand the question, matter of fact he replied "SB60?" I have this on video. "yes, SB60. The bill that will give licenses to illegals. why do you think Arnie doesn't suport the referendum? Meanwhile heckyl and jeckyl started bashing mcclintock and pushing their muscled hero as 'the only chance', lol.

There are two words for this: Unspeakable idiocy.

Why would any conservative oppose that referendum?? The ONLY reason he opposed it is because a referendum would have stopped all political momentum for 'illegal licenses'. Arnie opposed the referendum because he planned on bringing this back in another form and passing it. Carry, we knew it all along; it was so utterly obvious. All we got in reply was 'that's not true! He doesn't support it! and Tom can't win! We can't let Cruz win!'

Why couldn't they have tried to perhaps, read some of the library of Arnie's own words on this issue? TRUST ME it was so painfully obviously to anyone who was not either woefully, purposefully uninformed or in denial.

My point is that voters who are lazy and purposely refuse to educate themselves, deserve the blame on this.

But it was extremely clear where Arnie stood on this and other issues.

You give the average distracted voter too much credit.

Anyone who chose not to see the truth was simply kidding themselves.

They didn't need help though.

It was very clear all along that he didn't oppose this- At least it was to me and other McClintock supporters.

Of course it was, but it didn't make it easy dealing with the Arndroids because he had offered them deniability. They kept shrieking about how Arnold was against licenses for criminal aliens citing his stand on SB60. Some even cited his negotiations with Cedillo as a cynical ruse, playing Cedillo as a chump. That ambiguity was very valuable to Arnold going in to the recall election.

There are two words for this: Unspeakable idiocy.

How about self-delusion, wishful thinking, or blind loyalty?

All we got in reply was 'that's not true! He doesn't support it! and Tom can't win! We can't let Cruz win!'

Don't I know it.

Here is the last poll before the recall by USA Today/CNN/GALLUP.

"If the choice were between Cruz Bustamante, the Democrat and Tom McClintock, the Republican, who would you be more likely to vote for: Cruz Bustamante or Tom McClintock?"

September 25-27
Registered Voters

McClintock 49%
Bustamante 42%

Probable Voters

McClintock 56%
Bustamante 37%

TRUST ME it was so painfully obviously to anyone who was not either woefully, purposefully uninformed or in denial.

All twelve percent of us. There are enough Republicans, desperate enough to win at any cost and totally lacking any faith in their own principles, to lead the charge down the primrose path Arnold led them cutting down anyone in their way at the knees. Think FairOpinion or Southack.

My point is that voters who are lazy and purposely refuse to educate themselves, deserve the blame on this.

We disagree. Some of them are blatantly dishonest spin artists beholden to the corporate RINOs who don't give a crap what happens as a consequence. Unless we hold public and Party offals to a higher standard of honesty we won't get what we demand. Arnold needs to be roasted for this and the GOP leadership with him.