Posted on 07/14/2004 9:50:28 AM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar
Edited on 07/14/2004 10:13:18 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
We didn't get a majority. But we showed surprising strength on the issue the Left and the media consider controversial. The majority of the Senate did NOT reflect the true sentiment of the country. This debate is by no means over. We simply live to fight another day and since the Left is arrogant, they will ultimately do something stupid. Which is what I am expecting down the road.
By my count and from what I heard, McCAIN, SNOWE and COLLINS were in that sellout, libertine crowd of GOP votes to shut off debate on the F.M.A. I can't think of the other ones right now. But they'll surface. And when they do........
Great. That's typical of a response by a group that want NOTHING TO HAPPEN. With thinking as such there would never have been a Roe v Wade. Today is this issue. Next week will be another & the true conservatives will be ousted by 4 other pubbies with another BS excuse. But they know that if they bucked under then the elites will shread them but you voters will vote for them next time. Then you can wallow in more PC lib crapola votes from the next wave of so-called conservatives.
I didn't say the GOP were at 75%-80% in the polls. I said they can't even win on an issue that 75%-80% agree with their position. Even here in California the numbers are like that. If they have to run away from issues that are in their favor, where are they going to win?
It was one original Amendment. But many wanted a tougher ban.
The exact same way it's prohibited in California, right? So what were those licenses they gave out in San Fran? And who's been charged with breaking that law? Oh, that would be NO ONE.
I imagine some of the RINOs actually voted for this and were going to vote against it in the final vote.
The amend defines marriage. Usually simple definitions of words used in fed law are placed in the US Code. The only way to prevent some perverted leftist from tossing out the definition and replacing it with an all inclusive rainbow def, is to palce it right in the Constitution where it belongs. That way marriage retains it's traditional meaning of a mutually agreed to contract between one man and one woman.
If this is not a Constitution issue, then there are many state issues that need to be considered.
Why should I have to pay federal gas taxes for road that I will never drive? Why should I have federal taxes taken out of my paycheck for services I will never render?
On the other hand, you personally attacked me.
Perhaps it's you that needs to review the forum rules.
Not to mention all of the rogue judges.
They are certainly uncorking the champagne bottles in Castro District of S.F., West Hollywood and Greenwich Village right about this time
(and those corks...and gerbils for that matter, might come in mighty handy later)....
what other remedy is possible? the SCOTUS likely has 6 votes to toss the federal DOMA. What's left?
People like Kerry who say they "oppose" gay marriage know exactly what the plan is to ram this down people's throats using the courts. They are in favor of simply letting that plan go forward; the end result is the same. Its a dishonest position to take.
I agree. Look how it turned out the last time an amendment was passed to control people's behavior.
Today, when a concerned effort is made to obliterate this point, it cannot be repeated too often that the Constitution is a limitation on the government, not on private individuals - that it does not prescribe the conduct of private individuals, only the conduct of the government - that it is not a charter for government power, but a charter of the citizens's protection against the government.--Ayn Rand, "The Nature of Government", 1964
I quite understand about Gov't benefits and I do collect them myself (as a married taxpayer). Since I chose to pay fewer taxes does not mean I approve of Gov't involvment in marriage. Nonetheless, I believe the real reason that Gov't is in the marriage business was to protect children and to encourage their care by giving breaks to families and thus encourage that lifestyle.
its 65%.
The judges, as they have for decades. They use the Constitution as toilet paper.
Get in touch with the New York State Conservative Party to see how they got started. Our Republican Party here is the most RINO of all, and the leadership now has the party completely locked up, with no room for dissent. That could happen everywhere if people let it.
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