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To: King Prout
10. That is highly debatable (as over 600 posts of heated disagreement makes quite evident

Saddam Hussein had lots of friends too, that didn't make him right, did it? Is that what it all comes down to? Numbers? You want to talk about numbers? How about hearing from some of the millions of victims of pornography all over the world? These victims have faces and voices, they have memories and fears that keep them awake at night. The have low self esteem and some don't care to go on living after being abused. They have rights. The right not to be victims of porn.

Let's be honest: Porn exists because of money - the porn reader's money to be exact.

630 posted on 07/14/2004 5:26:40 PM PDT by swampfox98 (We are at war! We have been at war since 9/11. How smart do you have to be to understand this?)
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To: swampfox98

your non-sequiturs never end, do they?

first off, let's start with a little fact: no one is a victim of porn.

people are victims of animals, of disasters, of accidents, and - in this application - of people.

wait, what am I doing? I am actually debating you as if I assume you will think about what is stated.
My error, that.
It shall not happen again.


636 posted on 07/14/2004 5:35:32 PM PDT by King Prout (Viggo Bozodozeus is your friend... Viggo Bozodozeus deserves all trust... submit to Viggo Bozodozeus)
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To: swampfox98
These victims have faces and voices, they have memories and fears that keep them awake at night. The have low self esteem and some don't care to go on living after being abused.

And you accuse other people of sounding like a Democrat?

646 posted on 07/14/2004 6:54:16 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: swampfox98; Phantom Lord; Modernman; Melas; malakhi; Poohbah; TheBigB; steve-b; NCPAC; Bella_Bru; ..
"How about hearing from some of the millions of victims of pornography all over the world? These victims have faces and voices, they have memories and fears that keep them awake at night. The have low self esteem and some don't care to go on living after being abused. They have rights. The right not to be victims of porn."

Oh, spare us the "VICTIMS!!!" nonsense already!

I shouldn't have to post this, but it seems to come up on every thread on this topic, totally ignored by the puritains, so... NO ONE on these threads has ever:

- Suggested that kiddie porn or bestiality should be legal, or anything other than the abomination that they are;

- Suggested that minor children should either have access to, or participate in, pornography;

- Expressed any toleration for coercion of porn actors or participants in it;

- Suggested that those subject to such coercion or slavery have no recourse in law;

- Recommended that porn be jammed down the throat of ANYONE unwilling to watch it;

What we HAVE said is that pornography, produced, acted in, and viewed by consenting adults is not something the law should be concerned with, especially on a federal level, and most particularly when it is produced and viewed in PRIVATE.

Other than the above, any "victims" exist only in the type of Leftist psychobabble found on "Oprah", and coincidentally in your post:"The have low self esteem and some don't care to go on living after being abused."

Oh, my heart bleeds.

Conservatives pride ourselves on using logic, fact, and reason in our arguments to counter Liberal emotionalism. Such emotionalism is correctly a sign of a lack of such logic, fact, and reason. It would seem that some "conservatives" also resort to it when their supply of such things is found wanting, and many even use the same words.

If all you've got to offer is such claptrap, then I suggest you find a different place for it.

"They have rights. The right not to be victims of porn."

Of course, in addition to a fictitious "victim class", you had to also invent a new right! Put it next to "the right to be free of want and hunger", and the "right to a living wage".

And before you start tossing "small animals, etc..." around again, I'll pre-emptively call it the strawman that it is, now that I've destroyed all the rest.

654 posted on 07/14/2004 7:43:41 PM PDT by Long Cut (The Constitution...the NATOPS of America!)
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To: swampfox98
Porn exists because of money

Money is the root of all evil! Down with capitalism! Eat the rich!

677 posted on 07/15/2004 4:54:06 AM PDT by steve-b (Panties & Leashes Would Look Good On Spammers)
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To: swampfox98

Blaming the actions of an evil individual on porn is exactly the same as blaming a gun for the action of a shooter. Best to ban guns instead of attacking the evil people committing violent crimes with guns.


683 posted on 07/15/2004 6:22:49 AM PDT by CSM ("The Democrat Cocktail: Ketchup with a Chaser." by JennysCool (7/7/04))
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