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The Pornography Plague
Leadership U ^ | Kerby Anderson

Posted on 07/14/2004 7:46:19 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

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To: Phantom Lord

see 467


481 posted on 07/14/2004 2:42:47 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe (You CAN legislate morality.)
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To: Phantom Lord
TJ, response to your source on this post proven a big ball of lies? Starting with their lie about adult bookstores outnumbering McDonalds 3-1.

See #467. The response is, "move the goalposts".

482 posted on 07/14/2004 2:43:33 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: Tailgunner Joe
You can choose to break the law, and if you do, you should suffer the consequences

Absolutely correct. 100%.

Now, please provide for us the specific laws and statues that are being broken by those making porn films, mags, etc... and those purchasing the product.

483 posted on 07/14/2004 2:43:43 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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To: CSM; Tailgunner Joe
If government can legislate morality, then that which is legislated is moral.

I disagree with this 100%. The legality or illegality of something does not make it moral or immoral.

484 posted on 07/14/2004 2:46:00 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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To: CSM
I'm sorry, but it is my enemies who want to make this a religious issue, not me.

Whether or not you are going to heaven is not the state's business.

If you commit a crime, should you be released because you repent?

That's none of the state's business.

Prostitution is a crime just like murder is a crime.

485 posted on 07/14/2004 2:46:07 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe (You CAN legislate morality.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Those are video stores in the link you provided, not book stores. The video store next to the Bible book store down the road from my house has a small section of adult movies, even though they carry mostly regular movie house fare.

'Course, such silly distinctions between "adult book store" and "stores which sell or rent adult videos" is completely lost on you.

486 posted on 07/14/2004 2:46:35 PM PDT by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: Ken H

Even the Meese Commission admitted that there was not a strong correlation between the act of viewing pornograpy and the act of committing rape or other violent crime.


487 posted on 07/14/2004 2:47:08 PM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Like I said, the only hope for you porn-addicted leftist radicals is to vote Ashcroft and the "Christian Taliban" out of the White House and get another deviant lesbian like Janet Reno in charge.


It works both ways . You and your team want to be mortal Gods . And since you mentioned it I'll be voting for freedom TJ not you and your team .


488 posted on 07/14/2004 2:47:34 PM PDT by Ben Bolt ( " The Spenders " ..)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I did, now see post 479


489 posted on 07/14/2004 2:47:58 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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To: Tailgunner Joe; Phantom Lord
According to Paul Fishbein, editor of Adult Video News, there are approximately 25,000 video stores that rent and sell hard-core films -- almost 20 times the number of adult bookstores.

If video stores that rent and sell hard-core films outnumber adult bookstores by 20 times, and if there are approximately 25,000 such adult bookstores, then simple mathematics says that there are roughly 1,250 adult bookstores. That's a far cry from the 15,000 claimed in your article. Oh, and less than 10% of the number of McDonalds in the country, not the 300+% claimed by your article.

But hey, what's one order of magnitude when you have an agenda to peddle?

490 posted on 07/14/2004 2:49:17 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: malakhi; robertpaulsen; All
RP has problems with the truth, as well as being particularly clumsy with his "spin" of it.
491 posted on 07/14/2004 2:49:33 PM PDT by Long Cut (The Constitution...the NATOPS of America!)
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To: Phantom Lord
and even posting articles with numerous lies of their own (more adult bookstores than McDonald's)

You're the liar. The article says more than 15,000 "adult" bookstores and video stores offer pornographic material.

The fact remains. There are more pornographic book and video stores than there are McDonalds'

492 posted on 07/14/2004 2:49:56 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe (You CAN legislate morality.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
For 2 days now I have been asking you to produce the laws that make the production of, staring in, and ownership of pornography to be illegal. You have yet to do it. That is an admission that they DO NOT EXIST.

Coupled with your need to rely on sources so full of lies Clinton would blush shows your argument to be wholly without merit.

493 posted on 07/14/2004 2:50:40 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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To: robertpaulsen

"Well, this whole line of argument started with the hypothetical of all porn being illegal (post #46). I contend that as more porn becomes legal, more porn producers are switching to kiddie porn.

I've never heard or read so much about people being arrested for making or possessing kiddie porn as I have in the last 5-10 years. I cannot believe that the number of producers and distributors have remained constant. If they have, they're working overtime."



Couldn't this be a result of better and more efficient use of law enforcement personnel?


494 posted on 07/14/2004 2:51:34 PM PDT by CSM ("The Democrat Cocktail: Ketchup with a Chaser." by JennysCool (7/7/04))
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To: nickcarraway
Because of that positive feedback loop, the porn industry cannot claim it is not an accessory to the consequences of the behavior upon which it financially depends. If the industry paid for full compensation for the externalities of its operations, the public wouldn't have a claim by which to exert police power to control the distribution of its product. Those costs would include full compensation to all victims, counseling, and incarceration costs, etc. Instead, the rest of us pick up that tab. I see that as a failure in the tort system.

As is analogous to the tobacco settlement, because the putting of those costs upon the industry by regulatory means puts the government into the porn business, there is no reason not then for government not to extend its market penetration (sorry), nor do I anticipate the industry eagerly lining up to take full accountability for its role in motivating often criminal behavior. Hence the right of the public to resort to police power and criminalize the sale and distribution of the product until they get their act together.

495 posted on 07/14/2004 2:54:51 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: malakhi; Junior
The article says more than 15,000 "adult" bookstores and video stores offer pornographic material.

26,250 is indeed more than 15,000.

496 posted on 07/14/2004 2:55:43 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe (You CAN legislate morality.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Ted Bundy was asexual and when caught had pictures of cheerleaders with him. He was leading Dobson around by his nose.


497 posted on 07/14/2004 2:56:05 PM PDT by Trickyguy
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To: Phantom Lord; All
For everyone who may not have seen it, here's a pretty good destruction of TJ's form of "logic", by yours truly.
498 posted on 07/14/2004 2:56:28 PM PDT by Long Cut (The Constitution...the NATOPS of America!)
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To: Modernman; Tailgunner Joe

Nope. I know W has to kiss up to the Christian Right during election year. Then, once you've voted for him, he can go back to ignoring you.


I know that it is bad form to laugh but now you might have TJ thinking .. God knows what he is up to now !


499 posted on 07/14/2004 2:56:34 PM PDT by Ben Bolt ( " The Spenders " ..)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

"I'm sorry, but it is my enemies who want to make this a religious issue, not me."

Then what basis would you use to make current legal porn illegal? What are you basing your "morality" argument on, if not based in religion?

"Whether or not you are going to heaven is not the state's business."

But you would like it to be. The position I have seen you take is that you would like to make morality mandatory and enforced by the guns of the government. If I am not correctly understanding your position, then feel free to clear up my misunderstimation!

"If you commit a crime, should you be released because you repent?"

It is not a crime to view porn today, so what is your point?

"Prostitution is a crime just like murder is a crime."

Legally, prostitution is illegal, but viewing porn is not. Are you trying to equate the two? If you are, you are really supporting the legalization of prostitution as you just stated that you don't think it is any of the state's business if a person gets to heaven (or lives morally by religious standards).

I also accept the fact that you refuse to answer my question.


500 posted on 07/14/2004 2:56:40 PM PDT by CSM ("The Democrat Cocktail: Ketchup with a Chaser." by JennysCool (7/7/04))
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