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Who Are They? (Are European nations losing their "identity"?)
INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY ^ | Tuesday, July 13, 2004 | Editor

Posted on 07/13/2004 2:21:44 PM PDT by Isara

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We have problems with spanish-speaking immigrants right now. Are they going to learn English or do we have to learn Spanish?
1 posted on 07/13/2004 2:21:46 PM PDT by Isara
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The EU has two pressures. The eurocrats who want to erase anything but loyalty to the EU over any "nation" AND immigrants who want to remake all EU in their third world image.


2 posted on 07/13/2004 2:24:14 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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The French National soccer team at the recent Euro 2004 tournament was made up of immigrants (mostly African), with the exception of goalie Fabien Bartez.


3 posted on 07/13/2004 2:25:38 PM PDT by Gaetano
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From what I understand about the demographic situation in many European countries its not a question of if there will be a Muslim majority but a question of when. Lets face it Europe is a lost cause. What could not achieved by force of arms is now being achieved by immigration, high birth rates, with the help of a self-hating elite who are so cowardly as not to defend Europe's culture and historical legacy.


4 posted on 07/13/2004 2:25:38 PM PDT by mkj6080
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What could not achieved by force of arms is now being achieved by immigration, high birth rates, with the help of a self-hating elite

Are you sure you're not referring to the USA?

5 posted on 07/13/2004 2:29:23 PM PDT by Salvey
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Trust me when I say that the US is blessed with the immigrants we have. Most are Christian, westernized, and family oriented. Only a fool, or an old person, in any country would not want to learn English. What we have are a generation of bi-lingual children. Only a fool wouldn't want to encourage bi-lingual knowledge for their children.


6 posted on 07/13/2004 2:30:00 PM PDT by mgist
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Trust me when I say that the US is blessed with the immigrants we have. Most are Christian, westernized, and family oriented. Only a fool, or an old person, in any country would not want to learn English. What we have are a generation of bi-lingual children. Only a fool wouldn't want to encourage bi-lingual knowledge for their children.


7 posted on 07/13/2004 2:30:00 PM PDT by mgist
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On local Dallas area radio the other day, I clicked through a loud Mexican music station where a local group leader was being interviewed in Spanish. It was fascinating and I listened for a while. Both guys would talk in Spanish and then lapse into English to cover points that, I guess, weren't as clear in Spanish. It is common for a Spanish speaker to lapse into English to identify locations but these guys went far beyond that. It demonstrated to me the the Mexicans will integrate into US culture (assuming the leftists who dream about classism, allow it to continue) just like all other ethnic minorities have.

The Eurinal resoning has always escaped me because it means the same kind of melting pot that we have. The first major step was the money, abandoning national currencies for some currency that will make bribery easier. The greeks abandoned money mentioned in the bible for Euros. The Germans have planned this to take over Europe without a shot being fired this time.

8 posted on 07/13/2004 2:40:13 PM PDT by Tacis (,)
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It's not often that we feel sympathy for Jacques Chirac - Name once
9 posted on 07/13/2004 2:40:30 PM PDT by SF Republican
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Are they going to learn English or do we have to learn Spanish?

Tengo miedo, tenemos que aprender español.

10 posted on 07/13/2004 2:40:57 PM PDT by tdadams (If there were no problems, politicians would have to invent them... wait, they already do.)
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The U.S. has been relatively lucky with its immigration, which is mostly from places with compatible religions or cultures. But its intellectual elites have caught the multicultural bug, and it, too, faces the economic vise of falling birthrates and aging demographics.

Our own elites are beguiled. They think they can stay on the top of the heap while the whole society is roiling beneath. The liberal aristocracy of France thought the same thing but were pulled down by radicals who wanted to lead.

11 posted on 07/13/2004 2:41:33 PM PDT by RobbyS
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Investor's Business Daily? Thats progress.

Five years ago, heck THREE years ago, tackling such a topic would've been considered a hate crime.

12 posted on 07/13/2004 2:42:30 PM PDT by skeeter
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"We have problems with spanish-speaking immigrants right now. Are they going to learn English or do we have to learn Spanish?"

Neither, because they will murder us.


13 posted on 07/13/2004 2:49:53 PM PDT by Pete98
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The French National soccer team at the recent Euro 2004 tournament was made up of immigrants (mostly African), with the exception of goalie Fabien Bartez.

Yeah, wow! Thank god our baseball teams aren't anything like that! Matsui, Contreras, El Duque, etc...! And that's just one team. Hrm....
14 posted on 07/13/2004 3:14:39 PM PDT by Bulwark
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The United States is proceeding into a fractured nation similar to Europe. The divisiveness that we blame for the liberal-conservative conflict is based as much on the massive influx of immigration into our cities as ideology.

With the large concentration of centralized power at the Federal level and the needs of the low paid workers and infastructure in the inner cities, the condlict boils down to socializing the tax structure to support the new arrivals. The Blue and the Grey that formed the basis for the Civil War has a chance to be replaced by the Blue and the Red in the next conflict if conditions don't start improving and unity being worked out.

15 posted on 07/13/2004 3:16:22 PM PDT by meenie
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an aging population that must be supported by younger workers. On the other, they're learning they can't simply trust new arrivals to fit in.

It's a risky strategy.  It reminded me of  Mexico's policy toward American immigrants into Texas in the 1820's.

16 posted on 07/13/2004 3:17:57 PM PDT by expat_panama
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There is a big difference between a club team and a national team !


17 posted on 07/13/2004 3:57:55 PM PDT by Gaetano
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Yes, I agree. And it doesn't hurt for us to speak a little Espanol with those still assimilating.


18 posted on 07/13/2004 4:24:41 PM PDT by expatpat
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Who Are They? (Are European nations losing their "identity"?)

Who are the faceless, emasculated europpeens ground down by fifty years on one side by gramscian attacks on their morality and on the other by the brain-numbing regulation of the socialist bureaucrats?

Why, the long expected arrival of the Grey Goo no less! putty in the hands of the socialist elites, which unfortunately won't have the grey goo to protect them from the islamic beast that is about to slit their throats...

19 posted on 07/13/2004 4:32:39 PM PDT by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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. . . Both guys would talk in Spanish and then lapse into English to cover points that, I guess, weren't as clear in Spanish. It is common for a Spanish speaker to lapse into English to identify locations but these guys went far beyond that. . .

I had similar experiences when working for an oil company. Out of 23 guys on the team, there were only three of us who were native born, with a majority of Hispanics from Peru, Argentina, Honduras and Mexico.

I'd overhear them rattling off in Spanish and then of a sudden there would be an American word. If you ever heard the old Cid Ceasar quasi-German routines you'd know what I mean.

I asked one of the girls why they did that and her reply was illuminating. It seems that all South American languages, while basically European Spanish, had varying degrees of local Indian languages mixed in. In one particular instance there was no common word for "turkey" so they lapsed in American since everybody knew that word.

It seems there is a hierarchy of who is "most Spanish" with the Ecuadorians being closest to the "pure" Castillian Spanish. At the opposite end were the Mexicans who spoke "dirty Spanish" since their language had the most Indian words.

When I tried chatting up the chicks in pre-Castro Cuba with my high school Spanish, they'd throw up their hands and say "Hablan Castillano". YEARS later I had a Helluva time in Venezuela asking for "cigaros" and nobody knew what I meant until I spoke to some guy who beamed and said, "Ah, TABAC!".

20 posted on 07/13/2004 5:01:13 PM PDT by Oatka
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