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To: Boxsford

I don't keep one and I don't know of any ping list for PA.

This may surprise you, but I DO NOT support this (or virtually any other amendment) to the Constitution. I agree that this issue is contentious. I believe that marriage means 1 man + 1 woman.

An amendment is the wrong solution for this situation. That document is a constraint on government, not on people. It's to tell the feds what they can do, not what we cannot do.

The problem is really rooted in the socialism that our government has promoted for the last 70 years. If you take away the socialized benefits (social security and health care paid for by someone else) you'll take away the momentum behind this rush to 'marry'.

Sadly, no politician has the guts to said so.


31 posted on 07/13/2004 11:23:20 AM PDT by Badray (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown. RIP harpseal.)
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32 posted on 07/13/2004 11:23:44 AM PDT by Badray (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown. RIP harpseal.)
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To: Badray
That document is a constraint on government, not on people

I agree with you ... the US Constitution has no more business in restricting sexual preferences than it did in criminalizing alcohol consumption.

33 posted on 07/13/2004 11:45:49 AM PDT by Stagerite (The Democratic Party line: "Nothing is worth fighting for.")
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To: Badray
Until recently I had thought similarly. I do not any longer. Mostly because this issue will get decided by unelected judges and commissioners. This is not as it should be.

This amendment would most definitely constrain homosexuals from the benefits of the word marriage. It tells homosexuals that they are not to be considered a part of the word and meaning~ marriage. It will constrain homosexual from furthering their liberal agenda.

I do not agree the problem is rooted in socialism. It is rooted in perverted man's behaviour and a desire to validate that behaviour by sabotaging the institution of marriage.

A quote from the governor:

"Before we let a few tell the many what it is going to be, I think we ought to debate it, carefully consider it, because while we debate issues of war and peace and recession and prosperity, some will say there are so many more important things to discuss than this. I say to you, there probably isn't a more important issue to discuss than the legal structure that binds men and women together for the creation and the rearing and nurturing of future generations of Americans. I make no apology for my vote for this process, for an amendment that defines marriage, because that is where it is headed, because the courts will compel it. And our legal structure gives American citizens an avenue to be included. So with my vote, I say include we the people.

And another:

"Now, I wish this cup would pass from us. I do not like this. I love people. I believe in tolerance. But I believe in democracy. Many will tell you we should leave this alone. But if you leave this alone, you will leave it to others. And if you leave it to others, they will dictate to the American people what it has to be. The only recourse then available — when a Federal judge nullifies all state DOMA or constitutional provisions of the several states, finding an equal protection right to same-gender marriage — the only recourse then is through the constitutional process laid out by the fifth amendment in the Bill of Rights."

Interesting to find you in the same company with our liberal Senator Specter. Two things I had hoped men in this nation would stand up and protect: the unborn and the sanctity of marriage. How sad when men stand for some unreachable ideal and lamment over the past 70 years rather than stand strong and be a voice against the destruction of marriage. What will be worse for this nation then, an amendment that stops liberal elitist judges, commissioners, and liberal mayors or self-righteous anger towards our government in all their failures?

38 posted on 07/13/2004 4:09:26 PM PDT by Boxsford
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